I would have loved to have grown up during that time, i grew up with the challenger, quite a different feel
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Corona has a higher case fatality rate than the ‘68 Hong Kong flu. > 1.1% so far world wide. > > Spanish flu was 2.5% > 1968 flu was only .5% > > And it was a big deal. > All the grups were conclaving on what to do about it. > Lots of consternation. There was talk of extending xmas school break > which I thought was pretty nice. > > But I was more interested in the Apollo program and chasing girls. > And most of the sites I have looked at show the HK flu killing 38,000 in > the US > > *From:* Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:04 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the difference now? > > t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people gathered > together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll around in the mud, > and share a densely populated area for one long weekend. > And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health pandemic. In 1968 > the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong. It killed more than > 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which was more combined > fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean Wars. > <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html> Schools, > movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of course, concerts > venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, Congress didn’t issue a > lock down order, the Federal reserve had no involvement, there was no spike > in the suicide rate, violent criminals weren’t freed from jail, and nobody > arrested surfers or hair stylists. > > > https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/ > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19 > > https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ > > Fact #1 is disturbing already. > > According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the > lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20% > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>, > which is in the range of a severe influenza > <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19> (flu) and about > twenty times lower than originally assumed > <https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3> > by the WHO. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > More interesting reading. > > Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the mutations, > and branches of mutations and their genomes. > https://nextstrain.org/ncov > > Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than previous > bad years? > http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ > > Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical papers > have been submitted, here is just one. > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1 > *"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident > impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."* > > The 6 foot rule effective? > > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/ > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html > " Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to stop > the spread of coronavirus > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> is not based on > any scientific research, a government adviser has said." > The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68' > > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/ > > > I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was > detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting > differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a corona > virus. They are claimed to be "insertions". > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > Cats are trouble. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the different > strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a vaccine in a year or > so, it will probably end up being only useful for a strain of the virus > that has died out by then. > > I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I digress). It is > about the best description of R, R0 (R nought), and other variations of R. > The point being is that I misunderstood the concept of "flattening the > curve". I had thought that reducing the spread would end up infecting the > same number of people over a longer period of time (so that we don't > overwhelm the health system). Turns out, that if it's done right, you don't > flatten the curve, but you crush the curve. I also believe that the widely > varied infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors; > population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local", extent of > social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330 million Americans to > follow a plan is way, way worse than herding cats. > > > https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/ > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the > original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious strain that has pushed > out its less aggressive predecessor in Europe and the US east coast. That > certainly throws cold water on some of the vaccine optimism that was > starting to build. > > > > Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change before > it) is starting to make me think we are no better at handling new threats > than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we > may all (not just the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. > I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re turning on each > other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and talking about gutting and > eating our neighbors. (and their stash of Vienna sausages?) > > > > https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05 > > > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > Need to see if they will float first. > > > > *From:* James Howard > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on what > they agree about. > > > > I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more contagious > and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone a full year we won’t > know what the actual % death rate is (if we even know then due to all the > debates about what is counted). > > > > One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this is about > 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual rate of death to > cases is lower. What is the definition of being “more deadly”? > > > > I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should all be > burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments about what kind of > fuel to use and how to ignite it……. > > > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list. > > > > you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody steps up, > ill argue it > > > > settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science > > > > i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do with the > disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less disagreement that > way. Would never work though, we would never get past the caliber argument > to even get to shooting > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: > > Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, New Zealand, > Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that depends upon > what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands out the most. > Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you will wonder WTF > are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they are accurate > because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what they were > doing more than any other country. 4 deaths. > > On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: > > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can > > agree upon. > > > > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome. > > 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu > > 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and > > predictions are all off) > > 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar statistics than > > countries that did. > > 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe! > > > > These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute > > certainty these things are correct. > > > > 1) The virus originated from China > > 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus. > > 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally. > > 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific (old, > > young, white, black, asian etc) > > 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100% > > accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting and over > reporting. > > > > -- > > Steven Kenney > > Network Operations Manager > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have > > been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous > > years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article, > > but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into). > > We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack > > died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated > > heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether > > they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If > > say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5 > > years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000 > > of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people > > actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway, > > and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead, or if > > 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped off a > > bridge and were never infected. > > I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many > > people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in > > a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess > > deaths there were. > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > > > Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs > > because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But > > if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out > > possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like > > overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other causes, > > but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the data as > > Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them up to > > suit a political agenda or bias.____ > > > > __ __ > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____ > > > > __ __ > > > > In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted > > because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues and > > crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated > > semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths > > being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then you have > > all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people > > croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____ > > > > __ __ > > > > __ __ > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ > > > > __ __ > > > > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government > > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are > > supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of > > different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not > > for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from China (and > > several other countries) are by design government based. But to > > brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being naive at > > least.____ > > > > I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions. > > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large > > number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they > > are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or > > environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____ > > > > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also > > do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut > > off is probably a personal thing.____ > > > > bp____ > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > __ __ > > > > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ > > > > You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are > > accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or > > corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____ > > > > __ __ > > > > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of > > reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes > > being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients have > > existing conditions and many were already dying and died of > > those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being > > attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of > > 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is > > questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____ > > > > __ __ > > > > -- > > Steven Kenney > > Network Operations Manager > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ > > > > __ __ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ > > > > __ __ > > > > The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can > > do when we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It > > also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they > > were miss-classified. If you think under-ground near-do-wells > > are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are > > coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a > > tin hat that might fit real well.____ > > > > __ __ > > > > bp____ > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > __ __ > > > > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ > > > > Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into > > regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu. While > > it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most people > > have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had them, or > > didn't take it serious when they got it. ____ > > > > __ __ > > > > Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further > > their agenda. ____ > > > > __ __ > > > > -- > > Steven Kenney > > Network Operations Manager > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ > > > > __ __ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM > > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ > > > > __ __ > > > > image____ > > > > ____ > > > > Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart... > > Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____ > > > > 6 days in a row decline. 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