I wonder how many digits are in the number that it would take to bring all
government IT systems to no more than 30 years old. 20 years? 10 years?
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From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:18:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
At some point, the WDC (Whole D*** Country) is going to have to figure
out how to get our government's IT infrastructure out of the stone age.
I would not be surprised to hear ULS is running a COBOL program in a PDP-11.
bp
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On 4/24/2020 2:37 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
> ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby,
>> but if you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the
>> lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google
>> spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over
>> night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five years is astronomical. It
>> took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule
>> Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over 700
>> comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings.
>>
>> The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately
>> protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must
>> check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS
>> (per FCC requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major
>> problems and deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice
>> reminding licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete
>> and accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification
>> process and this will further delay things. Its going to take some time for
>> all of this before devices that require the AFC to be used.
>>
>> FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple,
>> Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6
>> GHz.
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>
>> After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader.
>> Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well.
>> https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>
>> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it
>> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Date: 04/23/20 10:14
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>>
>> So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies
>> dropped that made it happen?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name
>> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of
>> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6)
>> usage.
>>
>> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>
>> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of
>> the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common
>> man/small business.
>>
>> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> FCC has total authority over these bands.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of
>> Congress?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> yes you are right.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> More like 4.9 to 7.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>>
>>
>>
>> Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily,
>> so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed
>> will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint
>> it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about
>> the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the
>> entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>>
>>
>>
>> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard
>> Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that
>> determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have
>> geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client
>> AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the
>> licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of
>> companies have already been working on AFCs.
>>
>>
>> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is
>> limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof,
>> must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those
>> can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between
>> building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the
>> FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume
>> market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be
>> standard power.
>>
>> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell
>> phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for
>> AFC-controlled devices."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep...lots of buzz from this
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping
>> it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>
>> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
>> Gigahertz today.
>>
>> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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