ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby, but > if you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the > lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google > spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over > night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five years is astronomical. It > took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule > Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 > comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings. > > The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately protect > both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must check-in with > the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS (per FCC > requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major problems and > deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice reminding > licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete and > accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification > process and this will further delay things. Its going to take some time for > all of this before devices that require the AFC to be used. > > FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple, > Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6 GHz. > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader. > Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well. > https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6 > > > > ________________________________ > On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <[email protected]> wrote: > > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > ________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <[email protected]> wrote: > > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) > usage. > > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: > > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of > the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common > man/small business. > > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: > > FCC has total authority over these bands. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of > Congress? > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > yes you are right. > > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > [email protected] > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > More like 4.9 to 7. > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, > so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed > will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint > it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about > the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the > entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > [email protected] > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > > from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: > > > > "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard > Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that > determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have > geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client > AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the > licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of > companies have already been working on AFCs. > > > The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is > limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, > must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those > can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between > building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS > dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume > market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be > standard power. > > The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell > phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for AFC-controlled > devices." > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yep...lots of buzz from this > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping > it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz > today. > > any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > Eric Nielsen > 571-508-7409 > [email protected] > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ________________________________ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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