That's my preferred solution. I do t like hardware being tweaked to function in its operational edge. Dirty noise
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 11:24 AM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: > not many, a different post said the AF5XHD/LTU line can go up to 6200mhz > but that's it. Sounds like will need all new hardware to be produced by the > manufactures which I am ok with. > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:46 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm happy they're doing this. >> >> My only question is which devices can do 6ghz with just a firmware >> change and which ones need new hardware? >> >> >> On 4/24/2020 5:37 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote: >> > ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day. >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their >> baby, but if you really want to do know where the influence came from - >> follow the lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, >> Apple & Google spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing >> didn't spring up over night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five >> years is astronomical. It took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and >> Congress just to get to the Rule Making process that started on Oct 1, >> 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte >> filings. >> >> >> >> The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately >> protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must >> check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS >> (per FCC requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major >> problems and deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public >> Notice reminding licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are >> complete and accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and >> certification process and this will further delay things. Its going to >> take some time for all of this before devices that require the AFC to be >> used. >> >> >> >> FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes >> Apple, Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices >> at 6 GHz. >> >> >> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the >> crusader. Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well. >> >> https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in >> it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> >> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >> >> Date: 04/23/20 10:14 >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> >> >> So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies >> dropped that made it happen? >> >> >> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name >> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of >> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power >> (WiFi6) usage. >> >> >> >> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC >> out of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the >> common man/small business. >> >> >> >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> FCC has total authority over these bands. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act >> of Congress? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> yes you are right. >> >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> [email protected] >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> More like 4.9 to 7. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean >> heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum >> proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability >> standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. >> What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able >> to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> >> >> North Central Tower >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A >> Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an >> AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must >> have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the >> "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, >> so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole >> bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. >> It is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be >> weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 >> dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit >> concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the >> directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is >> likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, >> and ours, will be standard power. >> >> >> >> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. >> Like cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for >> AFC-controlled devices." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Yep...lots of buzz from this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are >> hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 >> Gigahertz today. >> >> >> >> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Eric Nielsen >> >> 571-508-7409 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AF mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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