That’s what Part 101 licensees back in the day requested but NAB and the broadcasters raised hell. So, we are left with exclusion zones wherever there’s a licensed eng area.
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I meant Part 74 vs. part 101. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:48:12 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > Part 101 has spectral efficiency rules that most part 15 type radios cannot > achieve. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > > Is there a reason that can't be changed to accommodate radio? > > Why can't it all just be part 101? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Tim Hardy" <thardy...@gmail.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > Actually, they are eligible but only in the same areas that other Part 101 > licensees would be eligible. They are not eligible under Part 74. > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com > <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Radio is not eligible for 7 GHz > > On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > > Shouldn't they be in 7 GHz? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Caleb Knauer" <cknauer.li...@gmail.com > <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been > involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers > and fade margins. Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big > voice with the feds. AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle. > But we shall see. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > > > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on > > rain fade characteristics. And there are many existing links. Just saying > > your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and > > the service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On > > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and > > more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better > > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart > > <timreichh...@hometowncable.net <mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net>> > > wrote: > > > > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it > > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > > dropped that made it happen? > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name > > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of > > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power > > (WiFi6) usage. > > > > > > > > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com > > <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: > > > > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of > > the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common > > man/small business. > > > > > > > > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com > > <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > FCC has total authority over these bands. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of > > Congress? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com > > <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: > > > > yes you are right. > > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > > > North Central Tower > > > > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > > > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > > > More like 4.9 to 7. > > > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On > > Behalf Of Erich Kaiser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean > > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum > > proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability > > standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. > > What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able > > to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > > > North Central Tower > > > > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > > > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us > > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: > > > > from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: > > > > > > > > "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard > > Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that > > determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have > > geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client > > AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the > > licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of > > companies have already been working on AFCs. > > > > > > The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is > > limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, > > must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those > > can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between > > building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the > > FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume > > market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be > > standard power. > > > > The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like > > cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for > > AFC-controlled devices." > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Yep...lots of buzz from this > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us > > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: > > > > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping > > it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > > > > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 > > Gigahertz today. > > > > any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > > > Eric Nielsen > > 571-508-7409 > > ericlniel...@gmail.com <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > ________________________________ > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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