ULS is just the data set that will be used - the software and hardware will be state-of-the-art.
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby, >> but if you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the >> lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google >> spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over >> night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five years is astronomical. >> It took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the >> Rule Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over >> 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings. >> >> The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately >> protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must >> check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS >> (per FCC requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major >> problems and deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice >> reminding licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete >> and accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification >> process and this will further delay things. Its going to take some time for >> all of this before devices that require the AFC to be used. >> >> FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple, >> Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6 GHz. >> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader. >> Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well. >> https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it >> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> Date: 04/23/20 10:14 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies >> dropped that made it happen? >> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name >> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of >> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) >> usage. >> >> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> >> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of >> the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common >> man/small business. >> >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> FCC has total authority over these bands. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of >> Congress? >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> >> wrote: >> >> yes you are right. >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> More like 4.9 to 7. >> >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> >> >> Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, >> so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed >> will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint >> it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about >> the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the >> entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: >> >> >> >> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard >> Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that >> determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have >> geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client >> AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the >> licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of >> companies have already been working on AFCs. >> >> >> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is >> limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, >> must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those >> can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between >> building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the >> FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume >> market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be >> standard power. >> >> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell >> phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for >> AFC-controlled devices." >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yep...lots of buzz from this >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping >> it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 >> Gigahertz today. >> >> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> Eric Nielsen >> 571-508-7409 >> ericlniel...@gmail.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ________________________________ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
