Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby, but if
you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the lobbying and
follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google spent over $16
million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over night and the $$$
spent on this over the last five years is astronomical. It took a ton of lobbying
at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule Making process that started on
Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte
filings.
The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately protect
both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must check-in with
the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS (per FCC
requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major problems and
deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice reminding
licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete and
accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification process
and this will further delay things. Its going to take some time for all of
this before devices that require the AFC to be used.
FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple,
Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6 GHz.
On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader.
Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well.
https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6
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On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it WISPA
isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Date: 04/23/20 10:14
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped
that made it happen?
On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name
companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of them.
They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) usage.
I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of the
goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common
man/small business.
So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote:
FCC has total authority over these bands.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of
Congress?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:
yes you are right.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
More like 4.9 to 7.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so
really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed will
likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint it will
be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about the
Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the entire
band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking...
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
"There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard Power device,
allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that determines what frequencies are
available at its location. It must have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to
see how the "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably
conservative, so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch
of companies have already been working on AFCs.
The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is
limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof,
must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those can
use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between building
entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS dishes,
harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume market for
Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be standard power.
The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell phones
and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for AFC-controlled devices."
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep...lots of buzz from this
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping
it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz
today.
any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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