Back in the dial up days my kids would “stream” aka buffer aka
download movies for days and days in order to get them.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 1:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future
I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix on 256K. 1M maybe,
and 1.5M still gives you decent SD. You’re going to need at least
2.5M though for HD. So that’s one part of the answer is HD. Some
streaming services, like DirecTV On Demand, don’t have adaptive video
quality and want a minimum of 5M to stream. Another factor is “live”
video, which is compressed on-the-fly and probably not as efficiently
as pre-recorded content.
Of course, if the customer has more, video streams will happily use it.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future
we are at the end of the wireless backhaul road. when I started 15 or
so years ago, we were just moving off a handdful of random T1s to a
bonded 6mb circuit backhauling that was nothing. Now we have two gig
circuits on separate parts of our network, and we are a tiny WISP in
podunk USA.. We dont put less than 1.2gbps backhauls in for core
backhauls now. The existing technology for distance in a single unit
us roughly 2gbps when trying to cover any distance of merit. Sure you
can do more than that, you can cheat outside link budgets and ignore
your rain region. But if youre talking about most temperate region
backhauls with legitimate reliability thats the wall.
we keep poking a little more bits/hz out, but that not really new
tech, its all dependent upon smaller and smaller path budgets, that
eventually wont be attainable. so you have to start doing shorter
shots, with more radios, more channel size, etc. eventually you hit
the point where its no longer economically viable to keep throwing
radio and lease costs at it and youll have to put glass in the dirt.
Duct is whats future proof, fiber is just the current best long term
option for transport. pending some breakthrough tech, its the only
real long term cost effective future proofish option.
We will hit a wall on demand at some point in the near term as we run
out of things to connect.
Can anybody answer why 256k used to be able to deliver a decent SD
netflix stream and now i need multiple mbps for the same thing? asking
for a friend
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
"Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan Stanley
is up valuing it because they don't understand technology. This
project is not even close to spacex's purpose for existing. If it
disappeared it would not have any real effect on their overall
mission."
This isn't really true. There was one primary driver.
1) You need to bring down the cost of launch considerably in order
to expand the launch market to a size where developing and
maintaining a reusable rocket fleet makes sense but you can't
bring down the cost of launch till you have customers to fill the
launch manifest and that spool up will take years. SpaceX thinks
they have solved this by becoming their own customer for all their
extra launch capacity for the foreseeable future.
When they looked at #1 above they realized that there was a huge
potential market there and even a a few % of the global internet
market could be a cash cow for years to come.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:13 PM Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan
Stanley is up valuing it because they don't understand
technology. This project is not even close to spacex's purpose
for existing. If it disappeared it would not have any real
effect on their overall mission.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:
um, no, Starlink is now becoming the primary reason for
the huge run-up in valuation for SpaceX...
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-future-multibillion-dollar-valuation-starlink-internet-morgan-stanley-2019-9
On 1/21/20 4:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
The difference being that this is a side project for
one of the main businesses, not their primary purpose.
At best I don't think this is going to be anything
besides a better alternative to other satellite
internet options.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Guys, lots of misinformation here.
They are NO plans nor hints of integrating
Starlink antennas into Tesla cars. It may happen
but no one has hinted of this happening. All
Tesla's have 3G or 4G modems already built-in to
them along with WiFi. Updates are sent via WiFi
first and after the fleet has received the
updates, they eventually push it to cars via
cellular data that haven't updated via WiFi.
Regarding B2B backhaul, I don't believe you'll see
this as an option anytime soon for WISP's or other
ISP's. They're targeting residential and small
businesses as well as government contracts. The
cost if they did offer B2B backhaul services would
likely be higher than fiber to your network.
Please stop thinking this will happen as I bet it
will not.
They may offer a self install option but they'll
also have a contractor to perform most installs
for a cost is my guess. Maybe they'll send a self
install kit for X price and if you can't get it
working, they'll schedule a contract install for
XX price.
I'll also say that you should not doubt Elon's
passion to achieve great things. I have a Tesla
and it's a work of art and by far the best vehicle
I've ever driven. 99% of people who have driven
one also think this. Tesla is succeeding, SpaceX
is on it's way there, The Boring Company is half
done with their Vegas tunnel, and Starlink will
likely be a viable competitor for us.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:48 PM Ryan Ray
<ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you link that? What exactly were they testing?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Somehow they passed a first review from US
DOD... Can't be all smoke
and mirrors in space...
On 01/21/2020 12:18 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
> I'm still very wary of this. There seems
to be a lot of over-promising
> under delivering. In typical Elon
fashion, no details but the world runs
> with it and puts out all these data
models that make it seem like the
> second coming of christ. Customer CPE is
a pizza box ufo <$200 and they
> are starting in 2020, but there's no
pictures or details. How is that
> even possible? We're buying 450b at a
more expensive cost and there
> ain't no phased antenna with motors in it.
>
> Then all you read online is the cult
following of spaceslax who takes a
> twitter post as gospel and just keeps
perpetuating the same tired
> information.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Bill
Prince <part15...@gmail.com
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> If the SpaceX Starlink system works
at 50% of what it's hyped, it will
> become the future of rural internet.
Urban is still going to be
> dominated (eventually) by fiber for
the foreseeable future. Higher
> speed
> wireless will be very, very local.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 1/19/2020 6:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > I don’t know why, but this
evening got me thinking about
> broadband delivery over the past 30
years and the future of broadband.
> >
> > First we had nothing, then along
came dial-up and that was
> amazing and many companies sprung up
offering the service. Giants
> like AOL and Prodigy.
> >
> > Then DSL and Cable came along as
well as wireless and dial-up has
> all but died.
> >
> > Now DSL is basically dead, cable
and wireless have gone through
> several iterations and we are seeing
a push to fiber.
> >
> > What’s the possibility in the
next 10 years cable and wireless
> will be dead technologies with fiber
at the fore front? Possibly.
> >
> > But then..... is fiber really
future proof? We are talking about
> investing hundreds of millions into
fiber infrastructure, because
> it’s “the future”. But is it?
> >
> > So far every technology delivery
mechanism to date has become
> obsolete in as little as 6-10 years.
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