Matt, Caching is something from the 90's unless it's with a direct CDN provider like Akamai or Netflix. If you're trying to do this yourself without having an appliance or server farm from a CDN, you're dreaming. This is why you won't find a Mikrotik consultant that can do the job for you.
Gone are the days of T1's and HTTP caches so get with the times. Upgrade your middle mile circuits so this isn't a concern. On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > you have to log into the netflix account and set it off auto for each sub > account > > ours was 512k max. maybe resolution on a tv would have been pixelated we > did our verifications from PC > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Interesting. >> >> On 1/23/2020 4:23 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> > The cell carriers have caching servers installed so they can >> > manipulate the traffic. We are working on doing something similar... >> > but so far every MikroTik consultant I've hired has screwed me on this. >> > >> > On 1/23/20 4:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> If I recall correctly, they have lower quality levels for mobile >> >> users on 4G. I wonder how they know you're mobile and whether you >> >> can trick the system into counting your user as mobile. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/23/2020 4:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest quality needed. >> >>> A few years back I did some testing with various speeds, and I think >> >>> I got down to somewhere around 500k before Netflix would break. But >> >>> even then, the picture quality was getting pretty ugly. >> >>> >> >>> But seriously... if Netflix defaulted to lower quality (not lowest, >> >>> but in the middle), and made you set it higher if you wanted, most >> >>> people would never know or care... and it'd save a lot of bandwidth. >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected] >> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm pretty sure the lowest quality level on Netflix needs 0.7 >> >>> mbps. If your rule ended up giving them 256k+512k then it would >> >>> have worked. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 1/23/2020 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>>> Way back in the day, when powercode had the old type queue, we >> >>>> built our basic one to buffer at 512 long enough to maintain a 2 >> >>>> hour sd stream at 256k with periodic 512k bucket refills. so >> >>>> really it was 512k effectively. It may very vell be that >> >>>> expectations of "standard" definition were different back then. >> >>>> but I thought that was an actual resolution standard >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix on 256K. >> >>>> 1M maybe, and 1.5M still gives you decent SD. You’re going >> >>>> to need at least 2.5M though for HD. So that’s one part of >> >>>> the answer is HD. Some streaming services, like DirecTV On >> >>>> Demand, don’t have adaptive video quality and want a minimum >> >>>> of 5M to stream. Another factor is “live” video, which is >> >>>> compressed on-the-fly and probably not as efficiently as >> >>>> pre-recorded content. >> >>>> >> >>>> Of course, if the customer has more, video streams will >> >>>> happily use it. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 PM >> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future >> >>>> >> >>>> we are at the end of the wireless backhaul road. when I >> >>>> started 15 or so years ago, we were just moving off a >> >>>> handdful of random T1s to a bonded 6mb circuit backhauling >> >>>> that was nothing. Now we have two gig circuits on separate >> >>>> parts of our network, and we are a tiny WISP in podunk USA.. >> >>>> We dont put less than 1.2gbps backhauls in for core backhauls >> >>>> now. The existing technology for distance in a single unit us >> >>>> roughly 2gbps when trying to cover any distance of merit. >> >>>> Sure you can do more than that, you can cheat outside link >> >>>> budgets and ignore your rain region. But if youre talking >> >>>> about most temperate region backhauls with legitimate >> >>>> reliability thats the wall. >> >>>> >> >>>> we keep poking a little more bits/hz out, but that not really >> >>>> new tech, its all dependent upon smaller and smaller path >> >>>> budgets, that eventually wont be attainable. so you have to >> >>>> start doing shorter shots, with more radios, more channel >> >>>> size, etc. eventually you hit the point where its no longer >> >>>> economically viable to keep throwing radio and lease costs at >> >>>> it and youll have to put glass in the dirt. >> >>>> >> >>>> Duct is whats future proof, fiber is just the current best >> >>>> long term option for transport. pending some breakthrough >> >>>> tech, its the only real long term cost effective future >> >>>> proofish option. >> >>>> >> >>>> We will hit a wall on demand at some point in the near term >> >>>> as we run out of things to connect. >> >>>> >> >>>> Can anybody answer why 256k used to be able to deliver a >> >>>> decent SD netflix stream and now i need multiple mbps for the >> >>>> same thing? asking for a friend >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Carl Peterson >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> "Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan >> >>>> Stanley is up valuing it because they don't understand >> >>>> technology. This project is not even close to spacex's >> >>>> purpose for existing. If it disappeared it would not have >> >>>> any real effect on their overall mission." >> >>>> >> >>>> This isn't really true. There was one primary driver. >> >>>> >> >>>> 1) You need to bring down the cost of launch considerably >> >>>> in order to expand the launch market to a size where >> >>>> developing and maintaining a reusable rocket fleet makes >> >>>> sense but you can't bring down the cost of launch till >> >>>> you have customers to fill the launch manifest and that >> >>>> spool up will take years. SpaceX thinks they have solved >> >>>> this by becoming their own customer for all their extra >> >>>> launch capacity for the foreseeable future. >> >>>> >> >>>> When they looked at #1 above they realized that there was >> >>>> a huge potential market there and even a a few % of the >> >>>> global internet market could be a cash cow for years to >> >>>> come. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:13 PM Jason McKemie >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. >> >>>> Morgan Stanley is up valuing it because they don't >> >>>> understand technology. This project is not even close >> >>>> to spacex's purpose for existing. If it disappeared >> >>>> it would not have any real effect on their overall >> >>>> mission. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Robert >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> um, no, Starlink is now becoming the primary >> >>>> reason for the huge run-up in valuation for >> >>>> SpaceX... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-future-multibillion-dollar-valuation-starlink-internet-morgan-stanley-2019-9 >> >>>> >> >>>> On 1/21/20 4:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The difference being that this is a side >> >>>> project for one of the main businesses, not >> >>>> their primary purpose. At best I don't think >> >>>> this is going to be anything besides a better >> >>>> alternative to other satellite internet >> >>>> options. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Darin Steffl >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Guys, lots of misinformation here. >> >>>> >> >>>> They are NO plans nor hints of >> >>>> integrating Starlink antennas into Tesla >> >>>> cars. It may happen but no one has hinted >> >>>> of this happening. All Tesla's have 3G or >> >>>> 4G modems already built-in to them along >> >>>> with WiFi. Updates are sent via WiFi >> >>>> first and after the fleet has received >> >>>> the updates, they eventually push it to >> >>>> cars via cellular data that haven't >> >>>> updated via WiFi. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regarding B2B backhaul, I don't believe >> >>>> you'll see this as an option anytime soon >> >>>> for WISP's or other ISP's. They're >> >>>> targeting residential and small >> >>>> businesses as well as >> >>>> government contracts. The cost if they >> >>>> did offer B2B backhaul services would >> >>>> likely be higher than fiber to your >> >>>> network. Please stop thinking this will >> >>>> happen as I bet it will not. >> >>>> >> >>>> They may offer a self install option but >> >>>> they'll also have a contractor to perform >> >>>> most installs for a cost is my guess. >> >>>> Maybe they'll send a self install kit for >> >>>> X price and if you can't get it working, >> >>>> they'll schedule a contract install for >> >>>> XX price. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'll also say that you should not doubt >> >>>> Elon's passion to achieve great things. I >> >>>> have a Tesla and it's a work of art and >> >>>> by far the best vehicle I've ever driven. >> >>>> 99% of people who have driven one also >> >>>> think this. Tesla is succeeding, SpaceX >> >>>> is on it's way there, The Boring Company >> >>>> is half done with their Vegas tunnel, and >> >>>> Starlink will likely be a viable >> >>>> competitor for us. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:48 PM Ryan Ray >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Can you link that? What exactly were >> >>>> they testing? >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM >> >>>> Robert Andrews >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Somehow they passed a first >> >>>> review from US DOD... Can't be >> >>>> all smoke >> >>>> and mirrors in space... >> >>>> >> >>>> On 01/21/2020 12:18 PM, Ryan Ray >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > I'm still very wary of this. >> >>>> There seems to be a lot of >> >>>> over-promising >> >>>> > under delivering. In typical >> >>>> Elon fashion, no details but the >> >>>> world runs >> >>>> > with it and puts out all these >> >>>> data models that make it seem >> >>>> like the >> >>>> > second coming of christ. >> >>>> Customer CPE is a pizza box ufo >> >>>> <$200 and they >> >>>> > are starting in 2020, but >> >>>> there's no pictures or details. >> >>>> How is that >> >>>> > even possible? We're buying >> >>>> 450b at a more expensive cost and >> >>>> there >> >>>> > ain't no phased antenna with >> >>>> motors in it. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Then all you read online is the >> >>>> cult following of spaceslax who >> >>>> takes a >> >>>> > twitter post as gospel and just >> >>>> keeps perpetuating the same tired >> >>>> > information. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:02 >> >>>> AM Bill Prince >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > If the SpaceX Starlink >> >>>> system works at 50% of what it's >> >>>> hyped, it will >> >>>> > become the future of rural >> >>>> internet. Urban is still going >> >>>> to be >> >>>> > dominated (eventually) by >> >>>> fiber for the foreseeable future. >> >>>> Higher >> >>>> > speed >> >>>> > wireless will be very, very >> >>>> local. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > bp >> >>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On 1/19/2020 6:29 PM, Matt >> >>>> Hoppes wrote: >> >>>> > > I don’t know why, but >> >>>> this evening got me thinking >> about >> >>>> > broadband delivery over the >> >>>> past 30 years and the future of >> >>>> broadband. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > First we had nothing, >> >>>> then along came dial-up and >> >>>> that was >> >>>> > amazing and many companies >> >>>> sprung up offering the service. >> >>>> Giants >> >>>> > like AOL and Prodigy. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Then DSL and Cable came >> >>>> along as well as wireless and >> >>>> dial-up has >> >>>> > all but died. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Now DSL is basically >> >>>> dead, cable and wireless have >> >>>> gone through >> >>>> > several iterations and we >> >>>> are seeing a push to fiber. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > What’s the possibility >> >>>> in the next 10 years cable and >> >>>> wireless >> >>>> > will be dead technologies >> >>>> with fiber at the fore front? >> >>>> Possibly. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > But then..... is fiber >> >>>> really future proof? We are >> >>>> talking about >> >>>> > investing hundreds of >> >>>> millions into fiber >> >>>> infrastructure, because >> >>>> > it’s “the future”. 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