I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix on 256K. 1M maybe, and 1.5M still gives you decent SD. You’re going to need at least 2.5M though for HD. So that’s one part of the answer is HD. Some streaming services, like DirecTV On Demand, don’t have adaptive video quality and want a minimum of 5M to stream. Another factor is “live” video, which is compressed on-the-fly and probably not as efficiently as pre-recorded content.
Of course, if the customer has more, video streams will happily use it. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future we are at the end of the wireless backhaul road. when I started 15 or so years ago, we were just moving off a handdful of random T1s to a bonded 6mb circuit backhauling that was nothing. Now we have two gig circuits on separate parts of our network, and we are a tiny WISP in podunk USA.. We dont put less than 1.2gbps backhauls in for core backhauls now. The existing technology for distance in a single unit us roughly 2gbps when trying to cover any distance of merit. Sure you can do more than that, you can cheat outside link budgets and ignore your rain region. But if youre talking about most temperate region backhauls with legitimate reliability thats the wall. we keep poking a little more bits/hz out, but that not really new tech, its all dependent upon smaller and smaller path budgets, that eventually wont be attainable. so you have to start doing shorter shots, with more radios, more channel size, etc. eventually you hit the point where its no longer economically viable to keep throwing radio and lease costs at it and youll have to put glass in the dirt. Duct is whats future proof, fiber is just the current best long term option for transport. pending some breakthrough tech, its the only real long term cost effective future proofish option. We will hit a wall on demand at some point in the near term as we run out of things to connect. Can anybody answer why 256k used to be able to deliver a decent SD netflix stream and now i need multiple mbps for the same thing? asking for a friend On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: "Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan Stanley is up valuing it because they don't understand technology. This project is not even close to spacex's purpose for existing. If it disappeared it would not have any real effect on their overall mission." This isn't really true. There was one primary driver. 1) You need to bring down the cost of launch considerably in order to expand the launch market to a size where developing and maintaining a reusable rocket fleet makes sense but you can't bring down the cost of launch till you have customers to fill the launch manifest and that spool up will take years. SpaceX thinks they have solved this by becoming their own customer for all their extra launch capacity for the foreseeable future. When they looked at #1 above they realized that there was a huge potential market there and even a a few % of the global internet market could be a cash cow for years to come. <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:13 PM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan Stanley is up valuing it because they don't understand technology. This project is not even close to spacex's purpose for existing. If it disappeared it would not have any real effect on their overall mission. On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: um, no, Starlink is now becoming the primary reason for the huge run-up in valuation for SpaceX... https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-future-multibillion-dollar-valuation-starlink-internet-morgan-stanley-2019-9 On 1/21/20 4:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: The difference being that this is a side project for one of the main businesses, not their primary purpose. At best I don't think this is going to be anything besides a better alternative to other satellite internet options. On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: Guys, lots of misinformation here. They are NO plans nor hints of integrating Starlink antennas into Tesla cars. It may happen but no one has hinted of this happening. All Tesla's have 3G or 4G modems already built-in to them along with WiFi. Updates are sent via WiFi first and after the fleet has received the updates, they eventually push it to cars via cellular data that haven't updated via WiFi. Regarding B2B backhaul, I don't believe you'll see this as an option anytime soon for WISP's or other ISP's. They're targeting residential and small businesses as well as government contracts. The cost if they did offer B2B backhaul services would likely be higher than fiber to your network. Please stop thinking this will happen as I bet it will not. They may offer a self install option but they'll also have a contractor to perform most installs for a cost is my guess. Maybe they'll send a self install kit for X price and if you can't get it working, they'll schedule a contract install for XX price. I'll also say that you should not doubt Elon's passion to achieve great things. I have a Tesla and it's a work of art and by far the best vehicle I've ever driven. 99% of people who have driven one also think this. Tesla is succeeding, SpaceX is on it's way there, The Boring Company is half done with their Vegas tunnel, and Starlink will likely be a viable competitor for us. On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:48 PM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com <mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote: Can you link that? What exactly were they testing? On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: Somehow they passed a first review from US DOD... Can't be all smoke and mirrors in space... On 01/21/2020 12:18 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > I'm still very wary of this. There seems to be a lot of over-promising > under delivering. In typical Elon fashion, no details but the world runs > with it and puts out all these data models that make it seem like the > second coming of christ. Customer CPE is a pizza box ufo <$200 and they > are starting in 2020, but there's no pictures or details. How is that > even possible? We're buying 450b at a more expensive cost and there > ain't no phased antenna with motors in it. > > Then all you read online is the cult following of spaceslax who takes a > twitter post as gospel and just keeps perpetuating the same tired > information. > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> wrote: > > If the SpaceX Starlink system works at 50% of what it's hyped, it will > become the future of rural internet. Urban is still going to be > dominated (eventually) by fiber for the foreseeable future. Higher > speed > wireless will be very, very local. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/19/2020 6:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > I don’t know why, but this evening got me thinking about > broadband delivery over the past 30 years and the future of broadband. > > > > First we had nothing, then along came dial-up and that was > amazing and many companies sprung up offering the service. Giants > like AOL and Prodigy. > > > > Then DSL and Cable came along as well as wireless and dial-up has > all but died. > > > > Now DSL is basically dead, cable and wireless have gone through > several iterations and we are seeing a push to fiber. > > > > What’s the possibility in the next 10 years cable and wireless > will be dead technologies with fiber at the fore front? Possibly. > > > > But then..... is fiber really future proof? We are talking about > investing hundreds of millions into fiber infrastructure, because > it’s “the future”. 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