As any fan of Yes Prime Minister knows, "irregular" means there's been a
crime but you can't prove it. ("Malpractice" means there's been a crime and
you can prove it.)
On Sep 29, 2012 9:21 PM, "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrtur...@googlemail.com>
wrote:> Hi Jan-Bart, > > Don't worry, I understand, "irregular" is often used as a euphemism for > improper but I guess that's something that a non-native speaker may not > necessarily be aware of. > > At the same time I should have said I think the Foundation's actions are > understandable and reasonable in the circumstances, even if they are very > disappointing. These are serious allegations after all. > > Regards, > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede < > jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English >> was very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey >> was "unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review… >> >> Jan-Bart >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <andrewrtur...@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jan-Bart and others, >> >> I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before >> jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular" >> (which incidentally, clearly *is *an accusation of wrong doing). There >> are certainly allegations that have been made that are of serious concern >> but I would hope people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report >> before assuming they are well founded. >> >> In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very >> difficult time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this >> and we can come through a stronger chapter at the end. >> >> Regards, >> >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede < >> jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly) >>> irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you >>> state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing >>> (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is >>> actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of >>> consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at. >>> >>> Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its >>> not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do >>> under the difficult circumstances. >>> >>> (oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done >>> automatically) >>> >>> Jan-Bart de Vreede >>> Wikimedia Board of Trustees >>> >>> >>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <k...@ktchan.info> wrote: >>> >>> > On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote: >>> >> Hi James (and others) >>> >> >>> >> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically >>> assume >>> >> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be >>> >> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several >>> >> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important >>> >> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the >>> >> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from >>> this >>> >> and draw proper conclusions. >>> > >>> > Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you >>> (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong >>> before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been >>> completed. >>> > >>> > KTC >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >>> > - Heinrich Heine >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrew Turvey >> -- >> 07403 216 991 >> @AndrewTurvey <https://twitter.com/#!/AndrewTurvey> >> http://www.facebook.com/andrew.turvey >> http://en.wikipedia.org/User:AndrewRT >> http://englishwikipedian.blogspot.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > > -- > Andrew Turvey > -- > 07403 216 991 > @AndrewTurvey <https://twitter.com/#!/AndrewTurvey> > http://www.facebook.com/andrew.turvey > http://en.wikipedia.org/User:AndrewRT > http://englishwikipedian.blogspot.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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