Tom, Neat, insightful, philosophical. Its tricky to decide how best to describe your considered contribution.... maybe empathetic?
I can see with 20/20 hindsight see lots of things I did wrong or could do better. The most recent was to offer some comments here. Apologies to those who might have liked a longer discussion. R On 2 October 2012 20:14, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since you still don't understand what you did wrong, I think you made the > right decision by resigning. > On Oct 2, 2012 7:58 PM, "Roger Bamkin" <victuall...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've taken a while to respond for a number of reasons. As Tom M notes >> this is upsetting. The other reason is that I'm not reading all of this >> because as Tom says its sticky. I'm sure that when he says " but the >> solution is not to use the charity to pay your wage" he didnt mean that as >> I think he already knows that is not true. However its lines like that that >> make the newspapers and the courts.... which Is one reason why words like >> "unfortunate" and other underestimations can be useful. As it is I think >> that some have used words that overestimate the problems and I'm having >> difficulty in thinking thats this is not accidental. >> >> I don't intend to defend my statement line by line. It isnt meant to be a >> vindification. Its meant to be informative to those people who are >> interested in my understanding of what went on. I don't mention that I gave >> so much free time to get a tear but to avoid some people thinking that this >> was a plan driven by money. (If it is then its a poor plan) >> >> One can always blame poor communication but we (WMUK) were trying our >> best to be transparent and as far as I can see all information that is >> being discovered was always available. You can always argue that it wasnt >> well advertised but I'm not sure that we could have done more (in some >> cases) than issue a press release about me standing down as chair because I >> was working for MCC or that the Government of Gibraltar was funding >> Gibraltarpedia with Roger and John as assistants. WMUK were being informed >> and they were reacting to these events to try and ensure that the situation >> was understood and properly managed. >> >> So for example wrt imperfect communication I didn't read Tom's breakdown >> until now, and for that I apologise. If someone wants a particular point >> addressing then do feel free to email me direct. >> >> Roger >> >> >> >> On 29 September 2012 22:58, Thomas Morton >> <morton.tho...@googlemail.com>wrote: >> >>> On 29 September 2012 22:57, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 29 September 2012 22:55, Thomas Morton <morton.tho...@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> review, to make sure we are doing enough to safeguard the reputation >>>> of not >>>> >> only ourselves as a charity but the Wikimedia movement as a whole. >>>> >>>> > Chis, I would hope it has nothing to to with reputation! And >>>> everything to >>>> > do with doing things properly and with correct ethics. >>>> > Reputation won't be a concern in those circumstances! >>>> >>>> >>>> The decision appears to be everything to do with reputation. >>>> >>> >>> Yes. My point precisely. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Roger Bamkin >> Victuallers Ltd >> 01332 702993 >> 0758 2020815 >> Google+:Victuallers >> Skype:Victuallers1 >> Flickr:Victuallers2 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2
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