Hi Jan-Bart, Don't worry, I understand, "irregular" is often used as a euphemism for improper but I guess that's something that a non-native speaker may not necessarily be aware of.
At the same time I should have said I think the Foundation's actions are understandable and reasonable in the circumstances, even if they are very disappointing. These are serious allegations after all. Regards, On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org > wrote: > Hi > > Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English > was very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey > was "unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review… > > Jan-Bart > > > On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <andrewrtur...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Jan-Bart and others, > > I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before > jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular" > (which incidentally, clearly *is *an accusation of wrong doing). There > are certainly allegations that have been made that are of serious concern > but I would hope people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report > before assuming they are well founded. > > In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very > difficult time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this > and we can come through a stronger chapter at the end. > > Regards, > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede < > jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly) >> irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you >> state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing >> (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is >> actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of >> consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at. >> >> Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its >> not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do >> under the difficult circumstances. >> >> (oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done >> automatically) >> >> Jan-Bart de Vreede >> Wikimedia Board of Trustees >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <k...@ktchan.info> wrote: >> >> > On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote: >> >> Hi James (and others) >> >> >> >> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume >> >> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be >> >> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several >> >> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important >> >> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the >> >> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this >> >> and draw proper conclusions. >> > >> > Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you >> (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong >> before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been >> completed. >> > >> > KTC >> > >> > -- >> > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >> > - Heinrich Heine >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > > -- > Andrew Turvey > -- > 07403 216 991 > @AndrewTurvey <https://twitter.com/#!/AndrewTurvey> > http://www.facebook.com/andrew.turvey > http://en.wikipedia.org/User:AndrewRT > http://englishwikipedian.blogspot.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Andrew Turvey -- 07403 216 991 @AndrewTurvey <https://twitter.com/#!/AndrewTurvey> http://www.facebook.com/andrew.turvey http://en.wikipedia.org/User:AndrewRT http://englishwikipedian.blogspot.co.uk/
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