Also, "payment processing" should be a trivial, automatic matter that shouldn't detract from whatever else the charity is doing. On Sep 29, 2012 4:55 PM, "Jan-bart de Vreede" <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hi James (and others) > > What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume > bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be > concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several > (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important that > we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the complete > facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this and draw > proper conclusions. > > In the meantime the fact that the UK will not payment process will allow > them to focus on getting things in order. Please recall that payment > processing has nothing to do with actual funds, the UK chapter will still > apply to the FDC for funds (I am assuming) > > Please don't make the foundation be the bad guy in this, this is not about > a power grab, this is about finding out what really happened in a > potentially very serious situation rather than simply moving on. > > Jan-Bart de Vreede > Vice Chair > Board of Trustees > Wikimedia Foundation > > > On 29 sep. 2012, at 17:06, James Farrar <james.far...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As best as I can tell, the WMF doesn't trust any chapter to raise funds, > feeling threatened by any slight sign of independence that a chapter might > exhibit. > > This is a naked power-grab by the WMF as they have taken the opportunity > to do what they've been wanting to do for months. > > And I am confident that fundraising won't be coming back. Bureaucracies > don't surrender power - ever. > On Sep 29, 2012 3:07 PM, "HJ Mitchell" <hjmitch...@ymail.com> wrote: > >> The WMF don't trust WMUK to raise funds. >> >> Perhaps too succinct? ;) >> >> (this email is not intended to express my opinion on the issue, because >> I've yet to form one) >> >> Harry Mitchell >> http://enwp.org/User:HJ >> Phone: 024 7698 0977 >> Skype: harry_j_mitchell >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Doug Weller <dougwel...@gmail.com> >> *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 September 2012, 14:59 >> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation >> >> Can someone here please explain this issue succinctly? >> Thanks. >> Doug >> >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dal...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Sep 29, 2012 1:40 PM, "Neil Harris" <n...@tonal.clara.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 29/09/12 13:20, James Farrar wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Indeed, and for now I remain a member. >> >>> >> >>> This is subject to finding out precisely why the charity is >> voluntarily >> >>> throwing away money. >> >>> On Sep 28, 2012 11:11 PM, "Deryck Chan" <deryckc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Doesn't Gift Aid depend on the recipient, not the payment processor? >> >> >> >> If so, I would have thought that donating to WMUK, even with WMF >> acting as >> >> the payment processor, would presumably be entitled to Gift Aid. >> > >> > Don't be fooled by the WMF's political choices of language. We're not >> > talking about payment processing, we're talking about who is actually >> > fundraising. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug Weller >> http://www.ramtops.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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