At a quicker look: https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/CKUJIBN3X5TAIDLO7RCUP3RBM562XEXD/
On Sat, 28 Sept 2024, 11:59 Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> wrote: > Please Wait > > Grant has already been submitted ? Has this been informed on Village Pump > and Mailing List for community support and inputs? > > Also what it is that Banglore is chosen but not confirmed venue. Karavali > User Group please confirm what is happening. > > WMF has appreciated the grant proposal also so much. Now they will come up > with an excuse that there is no rule for community input and some Sunday > video call is more than enough. > > Arvind > > > On Sat, 28 Sept 2024 at 11:31, Aafi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with your statement of bringing Punjabi/Bengali to the forefront. >> However, they need to come on their own. Let them show the interest. >> >> Kind regards >> Aafi >> >> On Sat, 28 Sept 2024, 11:28 Aafi, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Although, I don't have capacity to touch on all issues raised above, >>> Bangalore in the proposal is tentative, and being part of one of the >>> discussions, it was clear that the local community will be involved to make >>> the event smoother, but there are perhaps time limitations. The best way to >>> answer the WikiConference question, would be someone from CIS. >>> >>> I've myself been into Wikimedia ecosystem since 2019, and have helped >>> establish three Wiki clubs, and I haven't seen CIS staff ever stopping me >>> in taking the lead. I have also guided newbies into seeking support from >>> CIS to lead local events & develop capacity. >>> >>> For WikiConference India 2025, a call to support the organising team was >>> also conveyed during one of the South Asia Open Community Calls which I >>> myself moderated, and emails were also sent over. Several volunteers >>> responded/sent emails to support, and they must be part of the group, in my >>> knowledge. >>> >>> However, the suggestion of Bangalore in the proposal is tentative per 8 >>> September call. Local communities are always necessary. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Aafi >>> >>> On Sat, 28 Sept 2024, 11:22 Jayantilal Kothari, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Azaf, >>>> >>>> Please don’t divert the topic into WMF staff doing volunteer tasks. >>>> There is more than enough evidence of those issues as well, starting right >>>> from the 2011 India Education Program. Back then, WMF hired a non-Wiki >>>> person who didn’t collaborate with the local community, attempted to >>>> replace them, and ultimately failed—leading to the program's closure. Fast >>>> forward to the recent Instagram influencer project, where WMF again chose >>>> to bypass local affiliates. >>>> >>>> They hired another non-Wiki person who, to this day, has not responded >>>> to questions about the program. I’ve asked multiple times over the mailing >>>> list and even in person, but this person avoids addressing the concerns. I >>>> can list dozens of such examples, including when you, Asaf, traveled all >>>> over India to train people, as if no one in India was qualified enough to >>>> handle it. But let’s not digress into the topic of WMF staff doing >>>> volunteer tasks; this is about CIS. It’s quite clear why WMF might want to >>>> step in to protect CIS—it almost looks like an employee exchange program. >>>> >>>> We’ve seen CIS staff who were protecting WMF get hired by CIS, and >>>> recently, a WMF staff member overseeing CIS funding was hired by CIS. Your >>>> analogy doesn’t work. WMF/CIS staff aren’t paid to write articles, and >>>> neither are regular editors. It’s perfectly fine for staff and volunteers >>>> to collaborate, but in this case, CIS submits grants and does all the work >>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> A recent example: CIS submitted a grant to host Wiki Conference India >>>> without involving the Bangalore community or any other local groups. >>>> Logically, they could have partnered with the Bangalore community and let >>>> them take the lead, but CIS seems set on making themselves irreplaceable. >>>> And now, it looks like you’re backing them, which is fine—just be >>>> transparent about it. And just to note, even WMF found the time to respond >>>> here, but there’s been zero response or acknowledgment from CIS. >>>> >>>> They had the time to submit a grant proposal and bypass the community, >>>> but not to respond to these concerns. Let’s see how many more days CIS >>>> takes to reply, and whether WMF continues to ignore this. I request CIS to >>>> hand over Wiki Conference India to any local user group or community >>>> members with experience in hosting such events. >>>> >>>> I wish to nominate Bengal and/or Panjabi community to lead this due to >>>> their prior experience of hosting national Wiki Conferences. Even Aafi or >>>> Chinu, with their experience in organizing WikiWomenCamp, can take up >>>> leadership and manage the formation of the committee, bidding, and other >>>> aspects. Then, let them resubmit the grant proposal. >>>> >>>> If CIS fails to allow the community to host this event, there will be >>>> consequences, potentially adding up to an FCRA violation. CIS is currently >>>> violating FCRA rules by taking money from a foreign organization in the >>>> name of empowering Indian communities without clear evidence of doing so. >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation might not be interested in holding CIS >>>> accountable, but I’m sure FCRA and the Indian government will be. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jayantilal >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 at 2:50 AM, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, all. >>>>> >>>>> I agree Arvind's post was not necessarily targeting Nitesh for her >>>>> gender, so I suggest leaving that aside. Chinu is correct is the rest of >>>>> her response: there is neither any formal prohibition nor any cause for >>>>> concern in a staff member also filling volunteer roles, and it does not >>>>> come at the *expense* of other volunteers, any more than if a staffer >>>>> writes a Wikipedia article in their spare time, which obviously does not >>>>> come at the expense of any of you writing Wikipedia articles as well. >>>>> >>>>> What does seem to me to be unfair is the constant litany of "staff are >>>>> taking work away from volunteers", which I have been hearing continuously >>>>> since 2011. It seems to me that there is very little evidence that staff >>>>> ever took work from the hands of willing and capable volunteers. >>>>> >>>>> As Aafi mentioned upthread, there was a call for volunteers for this >>>>> scholarship committee, and all Arvind (or others) had to do, if they >>>>> didn't >>>>> want to see staff filling this role, was to STEP UP and volunteer. >>>>> Apparently they did not. >>>>> >>>>> Historically, the Foundation was eager to empower Indian communities >>>>> with resources commensurate with their ability to carry out programs. >>>>> CIS-A2K has indeed been the main vehicle of resourcing work, but it seems >>>>> to me there was a lot of flexibility in how those resources are put in >>>>> service of the community, including short-term contracts with community >>>>> members who were willing and able to do paid work for the community's >>>>> benefit. >>>>> >>>>> I encourage folks voicing such complaints to bring evidence of >>>>> concrete cases where willing and able volunteers were *prevented* from >>>>> filling a role by staff insisting to do it themselves. I also encourage >>>>> folks to make sure that alongside complaints, they *also* contribute >>>>> constructively to this mailing list, e.g. by sharing their own inspiring >>>>> and impactful work, or by offering their expertise when others seek help. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> A. >>>>> >>>>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >>>>> >>>>> Lead Program Officer, Community Development Communities >>>>> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>>>> >>>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>>>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 12:08 AM Jayantilal Kothari < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Chini, >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s ironic that as the admin of WikiWomen Camp, you're asking >>>>>> mailing list owners and moderators for attention, while you’re >>>>>> contributing >>>>>> to the very issue you're blaming on others. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bringing gender into this discussion was completely unnecessary and >>>>>> unrelated to the actual concerns being discussed. "Nitesh" is a >>>>>> gender-neutral name, often used by people of different genders in many >>>>>> cultures, and none of us on the mailing list had any knowledge of >>>>>> Nitesh's >>>>>> gender until you explicitly pointed it out. By introducing such personal >>>>>> details, you're only shifting the focus away from the real issues, adding >>>>>> an unnecessary distraction to the conversation.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the matter of stepping down, the simple question remains: >>>>>> where is the community? CIS takes pride in its train-the-trainer programs >>>>>> and building leaders, but the staff rarely passes leadership >>>>>> opportunities >>>>>> to community members. This isn’t limited to Wikisource—it goes beyond >>>>>> that. >>>>>> Wiki Conference India is another example where CIS staff, who are paid >>>>>> for >>>>>> the same work, take opportunities away from volunteers in their free >>>>>> time. >>>>>> CIS has been running its Train the Trainer program for almost a decade, >>>>>> and >>>>>> yet, even after TEN years, we still see CIS staff handling roles under >>>>>> the >>>>>> guise of volunteer work. Either they are not training volunteers >>>>>> effectively, or they are, but the staff is not allowing them to take >>>>>> leadership opportunities. Either way, this reflects poorly on both CIS >>>>>> and >>>>>> WMF.. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who don’t know, CIS's funding for Wikimedia work comes >>>>>> directly from WMF. Volunteers contribute to Wikimedia projects, and WMF >>>>>> raises donations based on that work. These donations fund the salaries of >>>>>> CIS employees. CIS should be grateful to Wikimedians for their >>>>>> contributions because, directly or indirectly, they are funding these >>>>>> salaries through WMF. Rather than holding back volunteers, CIS should >>>>>> empower the community to take the lead. If CIS continues this pattern of >>>>>> pushing staff into leadership roles under the pretense of >>>>>> volunteering—despite previously claiming otherwise—then it is really >>>>>> unfortunate and same shall be investigated.. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not only an issue of transparency but also a potential >>>>>> violation of FCRA regulations, as CIS may be misleading foreign >>>>>> organizations to bring in funds and then misguiding Indian citizens about >>>>>> how that money is used. It is unfortunate that CIS doesn’t take the >>>>>> community and its long-term goals seriously. While staff members might be >>>>>> unaware of these issues, it is CIS’s responsibility to train its staff to >>>>>> promote volunteer leadership instead of hijacking it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Additionally, the same issues apply to WMF staff in India, and >>>>>> others. WMF staff who regularly attend community calls, including but not >>>>>> limited to them, frequently ask community members about their individual >>>>>> contributions. For example, their Lead Partnerships Manager staff for >>>>>> India >>>>>> could share the number of partnerships he has formed and explain how they >>>>>> are helping the community, while their Senior Global Movement >>>>>> Communications Specialist staff could detail what he has been doing, >>>>>> especially considering he has been giving money to Instagram influencers >>>>>> to >>>>>> promote Wikipedia. Despite being asked about this, they have not >>>>>> responded >>>>>> to any such queries but continues to attend community meetups and hold >>>>>> the >>>>>> community accountable. This is quite ironic given their own lack of >>>>>> transparency and impact reports. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, CIS will likely ask a few trained leaders to respond to this >>>>>> email, stating they have been trained well. However, that leadership >>>>>> should >>>>>> be reflected in real roles at conferences, not just on mailing lists. CIS >>>>>> also tends to take existing leaders and label them as trained under their >>>>>> programs, but even in those cases, they rarely give these leaders the >>>>>> chance to actually lead. Both this Wikisource conference and Wiki >>>>>> Conference India are just a few examples where staff members have taken >>>>>> up >>>>>> roles under the pretense of being volunteers. CIS should be focusing on >>>>>> providing more opportunities for others to lead. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let’s focus on the real issues instead of unnecessary assumptions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jayantilal >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 at 5:02 PM, Yohann Thomas <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear community >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's very disappointing to see that this , almost decade long debate >>>>>>> on employee- volunteer relationship in the community has still not yet >>>>>>> reached an acceptable conclusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This cycle of CIS nurturing active community members & then >>>>>>> absorbing them as employees, at times leads to disheartenment in some >>>>>>> community members . Which leads to temporary growth but not long >>>>>>> lasting >>>>>>> organic community growth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In this case Arvind tried to raise a valid point here. CIS must be >>>>>>> answerable to the question that the community growth as envisioned , is >>>>>>> not visible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are the long term metrics met .. ? Or is it that WMF doesn't have >>>>>>> any other organisation to help with it's vision in India , so that's why >>>>>>> these metrics are never followed up on... >>>>>>> This is a question the community has been always been asking & has >>>>>>> never got its answers.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Yohann >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sept 2024, 11:59 Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Chinu Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note this is a Gender neutral discussion on Staff and their >>>>>>>> volunteering role in the name of personal capacity. Please note that in >>>>>>>> Wikimedia policies evolve as per discussion from time to time. >>>>>>>> Community >>>>>>>> consultation and listening to them is the most important thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your message is like there is no policy so do not discuss or talk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plese also note I respect not just Women but LGBT and other >>>>>>>> communities. When talk on this issue started Trust and Safety was >>>>>>>> copied >>>>>>>> from the beginning even before sending this the email body was shown to >>>>>>>> those involved as written on above.Trust and Safety was also copied and >>>>>>>> asked for any violations. This is not an email just shot from >>>>>>>> anywhere. Now >>>>>>>> why are you targeting mailing list admins? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be sending some more emails on CIS and their poor work >>>>>>>> performance compared to their budget. But I will not do it just like >>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>> I will once again share the draft with them beforehand and copying >>>>>>>> Trust >>>>>>>> and Safety. After that I will share on mailing list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now please check CIS reports and how much activity is done in the >>>>>>>> name of Wikisource. This is not about any public pressure to step down >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> CIS would be happy themselves had they got volunteers to do this work. >>>>>>>> Even >>>>>>>> this CIS staff would have been happy. There could have been so many >>>>>>>> Women >>>>>>>> leaders in Wikisource to volunteer this work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I request to you audit their work and share with all of us what >>>>>>>> better could be done in coming days. I am with you on developing more >>>>>>>> Women >>>>>>>> volunteers. I would also request CIS not to shoot down any discussion >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> listen to the feedback. Atleast Vishnu was always open to listening the >>>>>>>> community. Tanveer and Pawan are expected not different. The first >>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>> to accept the gender gap challenge and only then we all can improve. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wish you the best for CIS Train The Trainer event in Odisha. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Arvind >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday 13 September 2024, Women Camp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Arvind ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am writing to address recent comments and concerns you’ve raised >>>>>>>>> regarding staff involvement in Wikimedia spaces. It is important to >>>>>>>>> clarify >>>>>>>>> that there is no policy within the Wikimedia movement that restricts >>>>>>>>> anyone’s participation based on their employment with any affiliate >>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation until or unless there is a Conflict of Interest. >>>>>>>>> Staff >>>>>>>>> members, just like any other individuals, have the right to engage >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> movement initiatives in their personal capacities. Their involvement, >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> not violating any policy, should be treated with all fairness and >>>>>>>>> respect. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By definition, volunteer work in Wikimedia spaces is open to >>>>>>>>> everyone, including staff, and is based on the principles of free >>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>> and community participation. Staff members can, and often do, >>>>>>>>> volunteer >>>>>>>>> their time and efforts outside of their professional roles, >>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>> meaningfully to the movement. Volunteering is not limited by >>>>>>>>> employment >>>>>>>>> status, and it's crucial to understand that participation enriches our >>>>>>>>> shared goals. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The ability to organize a conference depends on experience, >>>>>>>>> willingness and time they can offer to create inclusive and productive >>>>>>>>> spaces for learning & collaboration. Questioning someone’s involvement >>>>>>>>> based on their professional background not only undermines their >>>>>>>>> contributions but also disrespects the collective wisdom of any >>>>>>>>> Conference >>>>>>>>> Organizing Team (COT), who carefully consider all contributors to >>>>>>>>> ensure >>>>>>>>> the success of an event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Furthermore, I must express my deep concern regarding the manner >>>>>>>>> in which you have raised these issues, particularly targeting a woman >>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> public mailing list. Given the persistent gender gap in leadership >>>>>>>>> roles >>>>>>>>> across Wikimedia spaces, it is disheartening to witness such actions. >>>>>>>>> Asking >>>>>>>>> someone to step down under pressure does not necessarily lead to >>>>>>>>> greater >>>>>>>>> respect—it can actually undermine the spirit of inclusivity and >>>>>>>>> volunteerism that we all work hard to uphold. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are all here to support the same mission, and fostering an >>>>>>>>> inclusive, supportive environment for everyone—regardless of gender, >>>>>>>>> professional background, or experience—is essential to achieving that >>>>>>>>> goal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ll urge the mailing list owners to monitor such personal targets >>>>>>>>> given the recent recommendations (just 2 days ago) we have received >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> the WMF Trust & Safety team.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> Chinu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:46 PM Neechal Karan < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with the point that we need to encourage more leadership >>>>>>>>>> from the community. Minimize the Staff involvement in the community >>>>>>>>>> driven >>>>>>>>>> events. However I don't have any specific comment on any staff >>>>>>>>>> members. I >>>>>>>>>> appreciate their effort on what they do to bring this successful >>>>>>>>>> conference. Since the topic is in the table, I feel their response >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> help us to understand better on this scenario. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Neechalkaran >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept, 2024, 10:19 pm Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Aafi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will request you to check CIS annual grants from the start and >>>>>>>>>>> also the activity report. So much money has been taken in the name >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> Wikisource to do workshop, digitisation, hire resource person, do >>>>>>>>>>> Wikisource in Education Program and what all. I will hesitate to >>>>>>>>>>> share the >>>>>>>>>>> amount someone from CIS should reply along with links and money in >>>>>>>>>>> rupee >>>>>>>>>>> not dollars. Community should know this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sunil Abrahim, Vishnu Vardhan both said they want community to >>>>>>>>>>> take leadership and staff to step back. Is Tanveer Hasan and Pavan >>>>>>>>>>> Santosh >>>>>>>>>>> on different floor? After spending so much money on Wikisource, CIS >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> have made some leaders to do these work. The CIS team would have >>>>>>>>>>> been so >>>>>>>>>>> proud of themselves and community would have also come up and said >>>>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>>>> Done! CIS could have told the volunteers to take initiatives and we >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> right behind you for help. Unfortunately nothing like this happened >>>>>>>>>>> and CIS >>>>>>>>>>> staff are doing all these work on their own and saying doing it in >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> capacity. Which model will you prefer Aafi? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Edit counts are not the basis to judge others on scholarship but >>>>>>>>>>> they are also important to have better experience. Many more >>>>>>>>>>> volunteer >>>>>>>>>>> editors have so much edits and they have admin and other access. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> should be given a chance. Do you disagree Aafi? 2023 when this >>>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>>> happened many volunteers came up but why CIS staff was chosen. I >>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>> understand. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If CIS person steps down today she will not lose respect but >>>>>>>>>>> gain respect. I am sure about that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am sorry Aafi if you consider my email to be baseless >>>>>>>>>>> accusations. I will not reply then. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Arvind >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept 2024 at 20:22, Aafi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Conference Leads did share a call for volunteers for a long >>>>>>>>>>>> time, but I suspect not many presented themselves to volunteer for >>>>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>>>> organising committees for the Conference. Nitesh is a long time >>>>>>>>>>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>>>>>> contributor who actively contributes to Wiki projects and is also >>>>>>>>>>>> a visible >>>>>>>>>>>> face of many volunteer based initiatives. If she comes in her >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer >>>>>>>>>>>> capacity to be a part of the Scholarship COT, what issue is there? >>>>>>>>>>>> I assume >>>>>>>>>>>> no. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of Wikimedians who also work for the Wikimedia >>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation or other organisations, whilst also supporting several >>>>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>>>> voluntarily. I do not find any misuse of power there. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate it if >>>>>>>>>>>> you could explain yourself rather than making baseless accusations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just an FYI: I'm not a Wikisource contributor and my response >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't endorse/approve of any Wikisource Conference COT opinions. >>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>> response is entirely my own observation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Aafi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept 2024, 10:51 Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Community Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wikisource is having a conference and Nitesh Gill who is >>>>>>>>>>>>> CIS-A2K staff is on the scholarship committee. After such a big >>>>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>> we can't find any volunteers. Staff are not meant to select >>>>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>> members for scholarship. This is a misuse of power. Everything in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the name >>>>>>>>>>>>> of personal capacity is a misuse of power and community cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>> grow like >>>>>>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arvind >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This message has already been shown to Trust&Safety at WMF, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nitesh Gill and several Wikisource community members involved >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> conference. >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences >>>>>>>>>>>>> visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
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