I agree with your statement of bringing Punjabi/Bengali to the forefront. However, they need to come on their own. Let them show the interest.
Kind regards Aafi On Sat, 28 Sept 2024, 11:28 Aafi, <[email protected]> wrote: > Although, I don't have capacity to touch on all issues raised above, > Bangalore in the proposal is tentative, and being part of one of the > discussions, it was clear that the local community will be involved to make > the event smoother, but there are perhaps time limitations. The best way to > answer the WikiConference question, would be someone from CIS. > > I've myself been into Wikimedia ecosystem since 2019, and have helped > establish three Wiki clubs, and I haven't seen CIS staff ever stopping me > in taking the lead. I have also guided newbies into seeking support from > CIS to lead local events & develop capacity. > > For WikiConference India 2025, a call to support the organising team was > also conveyed during one of the South Asia Open Community Calls which I > myself moderated, and emails were also sent over. Several volunteers > responded/sent emails to support, and they must be part of the group, in my > knowledge. > > However, the suggestion of Bangalore in the proposal is tentative per 8 > September call. Local communities are always necessary. > > Kind regards > Aafi > > On Sat, 28 Sept 2024, 11:22 Jayantilal Kothari, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Azaf, >> >> Please don’t divert the topic into WMF staff doing volunteer tasks. There >> is more than enough evidence of those issues as well, starting right from >> the 2011 India Education Program. Back then, WMF hired a non-Wiki person >> who didn’t collaborate with the local community, attempted to replace them, >> and ultimately failed—leading to the program's closure. Fast forward to the >> recent Instagram influencer project, where WMF again chose to bypass local >> affiliates. >> >> They hired another non-Wiki person who, to this day, has not responded to >> questions about the program. I’ve asked multiple times over the mailing >> list and even in person, but this person avoids addressing the concerns. I >> can list dozens of such examples, including when you, Asaf, traveled all >> over India to train people, as if no one in India was qualified enough to >> handle it. But let’s not digress into the topic of WMF staff doing >> volunteer tasks; this is about CIS. It’s quite clear why WMF might want to >> step in to protect CIS—it almost looks like an employee exchange program. >> >> We’ve seen CIS staff who were protecting WMF get hired by CIS, and >> recently, a WMF staff member overseeing CIS funding was hired by CIS. Your >> analogy doesn’t work. WMF/CIS staff aren’t paid to write articles, and >> neither are regular editors. It’s perfectly fine for staff and volunteers >> to collaborate, but in this case, CIS submits grants and does all the work >> themselves. >> >> A recent example: CIS submitted a grant to host Wiki Conference India >> without involving the Bangalore community or any other local groups. >> Logically, they could have partnered with the Bangalore community and let >> them take the lead, but CIS seems set on making themselves irreplaceable. >> And now, it looks like you’re backing them, which is fine—just be >> transparent about it. And just to note, even WMF found the time to respond >> here, but there’s been zero response or acknowledgment from CIS. >> >> They had the time to submit a grant proposal and bypass the community, >> but not to respond to these concerns. Let’s see how many more days CIS >> takes to reply, and whether WMF continues to ignore this. I request CIS to >> hand over Wiki Conference India to any local user group or community >> members with experience in hosting such events. >> >> I wish to nominate Bengal and/or Panjabi community to lead this due to >> their prior experience of hosting national Wiki Conferences. Even Aafi or >> Chinu, with their experience in organizing WikiWomenCamp, can take up >> leadership and manage the formation of the committee, bidding, and other >> aspects. Then, let them resubmit the grant proposal. >> >> If CIS fails to allow the community to host this event, there will be >> consequences, potentially adding up to an FCRA violation. CIS is currently >> violating FCRA rules by taking money from a foreign organization in the >> name of empowering Indian communities without clear evidence of doing so. >> >> Wikimedia Foundation might not be interested in holding CIS accountable, >> but I’m sure FCRA and the Indian government will be. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jayantilal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 at 2:50 AM, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, all. >>> >>> I agree Arvind's post was not necessarily targeting Nitesh for her >>> gender, so I suggest leaving that aside. Chinu is correct is the rest of >>> her response: there is neither any formal prohibition nor any cause for >>> concern in a staff member also filling volunteer roles, and it does not >>> come at the *expense* of other volunteers, any more than if a staffer >>> writes a Wikipedia article in their spare time, which obviously does not >>> come at the expense of any of you writing Wikipedia articles as well. >>> >>> What does seem to me to be unfair is the constant litany of "staff are >>> taking work away from volunteers", which I have been hearing continuously >>> since 2011. It seems to me that there is very little evidence that staff >>> ever took work from the hands of willing and capable volunteers. >>> >>> As Aafi mentioned upthread, there was a call for volunteers for this >>> scholarship committee, and all Arvind (or others) had to do, if they didn't >>> want to see staff filling this role, was to STEP UP and volunteer. >>> Apparently they did not. >>> >>> Historically, the Foundation was eager to empower Indian communities >>> with resources commensurate with their ability to carry out programs. >>> CIS-A2K has indeed been the main vehicle of resourcing work, but it seems >>> to me there was a lot of flexibility in how those resources are put in >>> service of the community, including short-term contracts with community >>> members who were willing and able to do paid work for the community's >>> benefit. >>> >>> I encourage folks voicing such complaints to bring evidence of concrete >>> cases where willing and able volunteers were *prevented* from filling a >>> role by staff insisting to do it themselves. I also encourage folks to >>> make sure that alongside complaints, they *also* contribute constructively >>> to this mailing list, e.g. by sharing their own inspiring and impactful >>> work, or by offering their expertise when others seek help. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> A. >>> >>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >>> >>> Lead Program Officer, Community Development Communities >>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>> >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 12:08 AM Jayantilal Kothari < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Chini, >>>> >>>> It’s ironic that as the admin of WikiWomen Camp, you're asking mailing >>>> list owners and moderators for attention, while you’re contributing to the >>>> very issue you're blaming on others. >>>> >>>> Bringing gender into this discussion was completely unnecessary and >>>> unrelated to the actual concerns being discussed. "Nitesh" is a >>>> gender-neutral name, often used by people of different genders in many >>>> cultures, and none of us on the mailing list had any knowledge of Nitesh's >>>> gender until you explicitly pointed it out. By introducing such personal >>>> details, you're only shifting the focus away from the real issues, adding >>>> an unnecessary distraction to the conversation.. >>>> >>>> Regarding the matter of stepping down, the simple question remains: >>>> where is the community? CIS takes pride in its train-the-trainer programs >>>> and building leaders, but the staff rarely passes leadership opportunities >>>> to community members. This isn’t limited to Wikisource—it goes beyond that. >>>> Wiki Conference India is another example where CIS staff, who are paid for >>>> the same work, take opportunities away from volunteers in their free time. >>>> CIS has been running its Train the Trainer program for almost a decade, and >>>> yet, even after TEN years, we still see CIS staff handling roles under the >>>> guise of volunteer work. Either they are not training volunteers >>>> effectively, or they are, but the staff is not allowing them to take >>>> leadership opportunities. Either way, this reflects poorly on both CIS and >>>> WMF.. >>>> >>>> For those who don’t know, CIS's funding for Wikimedia work comes >>>> directly from WMF. Volunteers contribute to Wikimedia projects, and WMF >>>> raises donations based on that work. These donations fund the salaries of >>>> CIS employees. CIS should be grateful to Wikimedians for their >>>> contributions because, directly or indirectly, they are funding these >>>> salaries through WMF. Rather than holding back volunteers, CIS should >>>> empower the community to take the lead. If CIS continues this pattern of >>>> pushing staff into leadership roles under the pretense of >>>> volunteering—despite previously claiming otherwise—then it is really >>>> unfortunate and same shall be investigated.. >>>> >>>> This is not only an issue of transparency but also a potential >>>> violation of FCRA regulations, as CIS may be misleading foreign >>>> organizations to bring in funds and then misguiding Indian citizens about >>>> how that money is used. It is unfortunate that CIS doesn’t take the >>>> community and its long-term goals seriously. While staff members might be >>>> unaware of these issues, it is CIS’s responsibility to train its staff to >>>> promote volunteer leadership instead of hijacking it. >>>> >>>> Additionally, the same issues apply to WMF staff in India, and others. >>>> WMF staff who regularly attend community calls, including but not limited >>>> to them, frequently ask community members about their individual >>>> contributions. For example, their Lead Partnerships Manager staff for India >>>> could share the number of partnerships he has formed and explain how they >>>> are helping the community, while their Senior Global Movement >>>> Communications Specialist staff could detail what he has been doing, >>>> especially considering he has been giving money to Instagram influencers to >>>> promote Wikipedia. Despite being asked about this, they have not responded >>>> to any such queries but continues to attend community meetups and hold the >>>> community accountable. This is quite ironic given their own lack of >>>> transparency and impact reports. >>>> >>>> Now, CIS will likely ask a few trained leaders to respond to this >>>> email, stating they have been trained well. However, that leadership should >>>> be reflected in real roles at conferences, not just on mailing lists. CIS >>>> also tends to take existing leaders and label them as trained under their >>>> programs, but even in those cases, they rarely give these leaders the >>>> chance to actually lead. Both this Wikisource conference and Wiki >>>> Conference India are just a few examples where staff members have taken up >>>> roles under the pretense of being volunteers. CIS should be focusing on >>>> providing more opportunities for others to lead. >>>> >>>> Let’s focus on the real issues instead of unnecessary assumptions. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jayantilal >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 at 5:02 PM, Yohann Thomas <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear community >>>>> >>>>> It's very disappointing to see that this , almost decade long debate >>>>> on employee- volunteer relationship in the community has still not yet >>>>> reached an acceptable conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> This cycle of CIS nurturing active community members & then absorbing >>>>> them as employees, at times leads to disheartenment in some community >>>>> members . Which leads to temporary growth but not long lasting organic >>>>> community growth. >>>>> >>>>> In this case Arvind tried to raise a valid point here. CIS must be >>>>> answerable to the question that the community growth as envisioned , is >>>>> not visible. >>>>> >>>>> Are the long term metrics met .. ? Or is it that WMF doesn't have any >>>>> other organisation to help with it's vision in India , so that's why these >>>>> metrics are never followed up on... >>>>> This is a question the community has been always been asking & has >>>>> never got its answers.. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Yohann >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Sept 2024, 11:59 Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Chinu Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note this is a Gender neutral discussion on Staff and their >>>>>> volunteering role in the name of personal capacity. Please note that in >>>>>> Wikimedia policies evolve as per discussion from time to time. Community >>>>>> consultation and listening to them is the most important thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your message is like there is no policy so do not discuss or talk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Plese also note I respect not just Women but LGBT and other >>>>>> communities. When talk on this issue started Trust and Safety was copied >>>>>> from the beginning even before sending this the email body was shown to >>>>>> those involved as written on above.Trust and Safety was also copied and >>>>>> asked for any violations. This is not an email just shot from anywhere. >>>>>> Now >>>>>> why are you targeting mailing list admins? >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be sending some more emails on CIS and their poor work >>>>>> performance compared to their budget. But I will not do it just like >>>>>> this. >>>>>> I will once again share the draft with them beforehand and copying Trust >>>>>> and Safety. After that I will share on mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now please check CIS reports and how much activity is done in the >>>>>> name of Wikisource. This is not about any public pressure to step down >>>>>> but >>>>>> CIS would be happy themselves had they got volunteers to do this work. >>>>>> Even >>>>>> this CIS staff would have been happy. There could have been so many Women >>>>>> leaders in Wikisource to volunteer this work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I request to you audit their work and share with all of us what >>>>>> better could be done in coming days. I am with you on developing more >>>>>> Women >>>>>> volunteers. I would also request CIS not to shoot down any discussion but >>>>>> listen to the feedback. Atleast Vishnu was always open to listening the >>>>>> community. Tanveer and Pawan are expected not different. The first step >>>>>> is >>>>>> to accept the gender gap challenge and only then we all can improve. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wish you the best for CIS Train The Trainer event in Odisha. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arvind >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday 13 September 2024, Women Camp <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Arvind ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am writing to address recent comments and concerns you’ve raised >>>>>>> regarding staff involvement in Wikimedia spaces. It is important to >>>>>>> clarify >>>>>>> that there is no policy within the Wikimedia movement that restricts >>>>>>> anyone’s participation based on their employment with any affiliate or >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation until or unless there is a Conflict of Interest. >>>>>>> Staff >>>>>>> members, just like any other individuals, have the right to engage with >>>>>>> movement initiatives in their personal capacities. Their involvement, >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> not violating any policy, should be treated with all fairness and >>>>>>> respect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By definition, volunteer work in Wikimedia spaces is open to >>>>>>> everyone, including staff, and is based on the principles of free >>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>> and community participation. Staff members can, and often do, volunteer >>>>>>> their time and efforts outside of their professional roles, contributing >>>>>>> meaningfully to the movement. Volunteering is not limited by employment >>>>>>> status, and it's crucial to understand that participation enriches our >>>>>>> shared goals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The ability to organize a conference depends on experience, >>>>>>> willingness and time they can offer to create inclusive and productive >>>>>>> spaces for learning & collaboration. Questioning someone’s involvement >>>>>>> based on their professional background not only undermines their >>>>>>> contributions but also disrespects the collective wisdom of any >>>>>>> Conference >>>>>>> Organizing Team (COT), who carefully consider all contributors to ensure >>>>>>> the success of an event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furthermore, I must express my deep concern regarding the manner in >>>>>>> which you have raised these issues, particularly targeting a woman in a >>>>>>> public mailing list. Given the persistent gender gap in leadership roles >>>>>>> across Wikimedia spaces, it is disheartening to witness such actions. >>>>>>> Asking >>>>>>> someone to step down under pressure does not necessarily lead to greater >>>>>>> respect—it can actually undermine the spirit of inclusivity and >>>>>>> volunteerism that we all work hard to uphold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are all here to support the same mission, and fostering an >>>>>>> inclusive, supportive environment for everyone—regardless of gender, >>>>>>> professional background, or experience—is essential to achieving that >>>>>>> goal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ll urge the mailing list owners to monitor such personal targets >>>>>>> given the recent recommendations (just 2 days ago) we have received from >>>>>>> the WMF Trust & Safety team.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Chinu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:46 PM Neechal Karan < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with the point that we need to encourage more leadership >>>>>>>> from the community. Minimize the Staff involvement in the community >>>>>>>> driven >>>>>>>> events. However I don't have any specific comment on any staff >>>>>>>> members. I >>>>>>>> appreciate their effort on what they do to bring this successful >>>>>>>> conference. Since the topic is in the table, I feel their response will >>>>>>>> help us to understand better on this scenario. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Neechalkaran >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept, 2024, 10:19 pm Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Aafi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will request you to check CIS annual grants from the start and >>>>>>>>> also the activity report. So much money has been taken in the name of >>>>>>>>> Wikisource to do workshop, digitisation, hire resource person, do >>>>>>>>> Wikisource in Education Program and what all. I will hesitate to >>>>>>>>> share the >>>>>>>>> amount someone from CIS should reply along with links and money in >>>>>>>>> rupee >>>>>>>>> not dollars. Community should know this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sunil Abrahim, Vishnu Vardhan both said they want community to >>>>>>>>> take leadership and staff to step back. Is Tanveer Hasan and Pavan >>>>>>>>> Santosh >>>>>>>>> on different floor? After spending so much money on Wikisource, CIS >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> have made some leaders to do these work. The CIS team would have been >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> proud of themselves and community would have also come up and said >>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>> Done! CIS could have told the volunteers to take initiatives and we >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> right behind you for help. Unfortunately nothing like this happened >>>>>>>>> and CIS >>>>>>>>> staff are doing all these work on their own and saying doing it in >>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>> capacity. Which model will you prefer Aafi? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Edit counts are not the basis to judge others on scholarship but >>>>>>>>> they are also important to have better experience. Many more volunteer >>>>>>>>> editors have so much edits and they have admin and other access. They >>>>>>>>> should be given a chance. Do you disagree Aafi? 2023 when this >>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>> happened many volunteers came up but why CIS staff was chosen. I >>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>> understand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If CIS person steps down today she will not lose respect but gain >>>>>>>>> respect. I am sure about that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am sorry Aafi if you consider my email to be baseless >>>>>>>>> accusations. I will not reply then. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Arvind >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept 2024 at 20:22, Aafi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Conference Leads did share a call for volunteers for a long >>>>>>>>>> time, but I suspect not many presented themselves to volunteer for >>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>> organising committees for the Conference. Nitesh is a long time >>>>>>>>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>>>> contributor who actively contributes to Wiki projects and is also a >>>>>>>>>> visible >>>>>>>>>> face of many volunteer based initiatives. If she comes in her >>>>>>>>>> volunteer >>>>>>>>>> capacity to be a part of the Scholarship COT, what issue is there? I >>>>>>>>>> assume >>>>>>>>>> no. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of Wikimedians who also work for the Wikimedia >>>>>>>>>> Foundation or other organisations, whilst also supporting several >>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>> voluntarily. I do not find any misuse of power there. I'd appreciate >>>>>>>>>> it if >>>>>>>>>> you could explain yourself rather than making baseless accusations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just an FYI: I'm not a Wikisource contributor and my response >>>>>>>>>> doesn't endorse/approve of any Wikisource Conference COT opinions. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> response is entirely my own observation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> Aafi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sept 2024, 10:51 Arvind Menon, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Community Members, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wikisource is having a conference and Nitesh Gill who is CIS-A2K >>>>>>>>>>> staff is on the scholarship committee. After such a big community >>>>>>>>>>> we can't >>>>>>>>>>> find any volunteers. Staff are not meant to select community >>>>>>>>>>> members for >>>>>>>>>>> scholarship. This is a misuse of power. Everything in the name of >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> capacity is a misuse of power and community cannot grow like this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Arvind >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This message has already been shown to Trust&Safety at WMF, >>>>>>>>>>> Nitesh Gill and several Wikisource community members involved with >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> conference. >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaIndia-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > >
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