Hi Margaret,

If you've just updated to iOS17... restarting the phone helped both my 
wife's and my and my phone after updating with the double tap functionality.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem


Hi Margaret,

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double 
tap time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a 
double tap. The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in 
order for it to register.

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will 
be near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and 
I executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better 
since I don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that 
setting to see if it helps you.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas <avidrea...@fastmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Alan:
>
> Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
> there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I 
> was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here 
> and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen 
> tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years 
> ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I 
> always have and the phone has just gone nuts.
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> Hi Margaret,
>> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices 
>> here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
>> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
>> instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X 
>> so I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
>> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if 
>> you are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try 
>> changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
>> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
>> Alan Lemly .
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas <avidrea...@fastmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Afternoon:
>>>
>>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my 
>>> way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having 
>>> with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am 
>>> having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for 
>>> and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right 
>>> now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
>>> responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something 
>>> to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.
>>>
>>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I 
>>> may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new 
>>> info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double 
>>> tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping 
>>> thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. 
>>> Siri?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>>> James,
>>>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can 
>>>> go to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri 
>>>> instead of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier 
>>>> versions of iOS.
>>>> Alan Lemly
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley <bentleyj1...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any 
>>>>> thing accidently triggered Ciri.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day. 
>>>>> I always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>>>>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast 
>>>>> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>>>>> version of IOS 17.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of 
>>>>> the worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> James B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Mary Otten
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if 
>>>>> your friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear 
>>>>> anything and quit, because it thinks you’re doing something. Try 
>>>>> disabling hands-free Siri and just use the side button and see if that 
>>>>> helps. I never have used hey Siri except on my HomePod. I have no 
>>>>> problem pressing the side button.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>> <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available 
>>>>>> for follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open 
>>>>>> and thus it cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>>>>> Pretty pointless.
>>>>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>>>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri 
>>>>>> says, then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor 
>>>>>> work around at best even if it works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard, USA.
>>>>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>>>>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>>>>>> the Universe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>>>>> Of Lynn Schneider
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since 
>>>>>> iOS 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she 
>>>>>> is reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from 
>>>>>> reading. It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior 
>>>>>> just started recently. He thought that an update fixed it, and it 
>>>>>> worked well for about a day, but then went back to this problematic 
>>>>>> behavior. Any insights on how to solve this problem would be much 
>>>>>> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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