True, Sieghard. If we could really predict the future, we could live off the stock market.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: re iphone advice please My prediction is that it will take a lot longer than that for the iPhone in whatever form to go away. Just because Apple introduced the Apple Watch does not mean the iPhone is going away and I don't think that will be different with these goggles. I think there are many people who may not want to run around with goggles on their head all day long and while such articles with such titles are pretty successful in getting people to click on them, I think their ability to correctly predict what will happen is less successful. Despite the computing power of today's smartphones and even smart watches desktops and laptops are still being sold and actually in the last 2 years in record numbers and the emergence or introduction of some AR or VR goggles will not cause the smartphone to disappear any time soon. From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of TaraPrakash Sent: December 9, 2021 6:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: re iphone advice please There may not be any iPhones in near future , with or without home button. As for this article, This may seem like a comical thing to say when Apple is about to potentially sell 40 million iPhones this holiday season, according to Wedbush. But the iPhone is in its sunset years. It has maybe the rest of this decade left before it's put out to pasture. And all the buzz now is over Apple's upcoming goggles. https://apple.news/AKWcvoxuKSeOErZAO8IwNcA Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Alan Lemly <[email protected]> wrote: Sieghard, I'd caution you against saying there will be no more iPhones with home buttons. The next generation SE expected later next spring has been rumored to still have a home button. And I disagree with others that the new gesture to activate home and the app switcher on phones without a home button are as easy to use as a home button. They are certainly accessible and manageable but they aren't as easy or as fast as pressing a button. And on my iPhone 13 Mini, I find hearing that initial chirp starting the home gesture not nearly as obvious as pressing a button. So much so that I customized my gestures so I have a dedicated one for the app switcher and home. Different strokes for different folks. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 10:53:28 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: RE: re iphone advice please I would totally not get stuck on the idea that a home button has a huge advantage, it will take most people all of 10 or 15 minutes to learn the swipe up gesture required to go back to the home screen or bring up the app switcher and even if they bought an SE 2020 now then certainly they would have to deal with a phone with no home button in a few years. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mo Sent: December 9, 2021 8:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: re iphone advice please Hi Richard and Wayne, Sorry I seem to have missed Wayne's response. This is most useful and yes, ideally I think they would prefer to have a home button as other models they have used have had this. Out of these three which has the home button please? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: 09 December 2021 14:54 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: re iphone advice please One non-Accessibility relared point, the SE has the same chip as the 11, so its hardware is over 1 year newer than the XR model. So for the long run, the SE has a chance of being supported longer; otherwise, accessibility is really the same in all iPhone models. The difference is, as Wayne pointed out, does the person require the home button? Richard "Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different kinds of good weather." ~ John Ruskin My Web site: https://www.turner42.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: re iphone advice please Hello. Basically, do you want a home button or not. The SE 2020 has a home button, which many blind folk consider to be more accessible. However, the newer phones after the 10 series, though they don't have home buttons, they are just as accessible. Basically, you slide a finger up from the bottom or down from the top. Based on the vibrations you feel and noises you hear, you can access the home screen, app switcher, notification or control centers. I've been using this newer style since the XR. Though there was an initial adjustment period, it did not take me long to get the hang of the new way. Now, I pick up my 2020 SE for work and find myself wanting to use the same gestures on it that I use on my personal iPhone 11. One other thing; though the SE 2020 can do a lot, there may be some features of iOS that either don't work as well or at all on the SE which do work or are smoother on the phones without a home button. Respectfully, Wayne Merritt On 12/9/21, Mo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have recently been asked for advice re accessibility of the iphone > xs-xr and se 2020. > > How do the features and accessibility work? > > Useability etc. > > Would be most grateful for any guidance from you guys. > > Thank you. > > Mo. > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.a <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.a> > vg.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84d > f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7 > CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=drfIPlbazfV3cQzVTeBeGiqiY78VanwKQMaAC8tvY88 > %3D&reserved=0 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ma <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ma> > il-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd > 4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1 > %7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi > LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=5%2F2F > NoixW6w3dvYMV8F0w9vJa28oTMRKY1AEjeS9CPc%3D&reserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F014901d7ecfe%25248defcbb0%2524a9cf6310%2524%2540gmail.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=zfQDYFUF8EzxqdNa29aRsEuO2ZyS5leweHrLNHXZeYA%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F014901d7ecfe%25248defcbb0%2524a9cf6310%2524%2540gmail.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=zfQDYFUF8EzxqdNa29aRsEuO2ZyS5leweHrLNHXZeYA%3D&reserved=0> . > -- Follow me on Twitter: @wcmerritt Connect with me on GoodReads: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fwaynesbooks&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=BPbR1hwx5xs6pw%2BvDwZUPAO6iEiSE2kXz66rcv5YAdM%3D&reserved=0 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=5%2F2FNoixW6w3dvYMV8F0w9vJa28oTMRKY1AEjeS9CPc%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FCAOYhKte--dmDwe1L4Ao-BTMms9q%252BFpYRaWU%252B0abQMJ%252BxDyLWvg%2540mail.gmail.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ePL5v5w9po87lLD%2BlYFwRmCUDnQ85BC%2BKhaI83ylwkE%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FCAOYhKte--dmDwe1L4Ao-BTMms9q%252BFpYRaWU%252B0abQMJ%252BxDyLWvg%2540mail.gmail.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4affe9f0d824affac9908d9bb1f596a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637746565630003693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ePL5v5w9po87lLD%2BlYFwRmCUDnQ85BC%2BKhaI83ylwkE%3D&reserved=0> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MW4PR17MB45132584E3BBE576519B9E1EB7709%40MW4PR17MB4513.namprd17.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MW4PR17MB45132584E3BBE576519B9E1EB7709%40MW4PR17MB4513.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> . -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005001d7ed1b%24ab433f90%2401c9beb0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005001d7ed1b%24ab433f90%2401c9beb0%24%40gmail.com> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB7862C7D81B23A04F5FB6C040C7709%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB7862C7D81B23A04F5FB6C040C7709%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27876DB243821055D93B5036A3709%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27876DB243821055D93B5036A3709%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DD47CD0C-18F8-4B99-851B-AD45A2B55740%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DD47CD0C-18F8-4B99-851B-AD45A2B55740%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB7862A3DF4E1CACA3D70BD172C7719%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB7862A3DF4E1CACA3D70BD172C7719%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052e01d7edef%2495ab5800%24c1020800%24%40windstream.net.
