I would not vote -1 on a 3 month ban. It doesn't look like we have consensus around moderating messages.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> wrote: > For those who are advocating moderation, would you be opposed if I propose > a 3 month ban for a vote? If you are not opposed, then we should be able to > achieve consensus here without needing a vote to take place. > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Nicolas Liochon <nkey...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that pounds code? > > > > And it's not the first time. A 3 month ban seems ok to me. > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Cody Marcel <cmar...@salesforce.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Seems odd to create extra work for already crazy busy volunteers. You > > would > > > basically be moderating one individual. Just objectively look at > whether > > > the value he adds to the community outweighs the time and emotional > > capitol > > > spent in these conversations. I suspect the fact the this thread is > > > happening is because some people have reached their limits to the > abuse. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:08 PM, lars hofhansl <la...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > Right. Hence the moderating or temporary ban. > > > > From: Andrew Purtell <andrew.purt...@gmail.com> > > > > To: "d...@hbase.apache.org" <d...@hbase.apache.org> > > > > Cc: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:28 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists > > was > > > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client) > > > > > > > > Huh? This is not about being caremad over some technical issue, this > is > > > > about preserving a productive space for communication free from toxic > > > > people casting abuse while being "funny" and "smart". Please go back > on > > > the > > > > original thread and re-read the interaction with Sean. Are you going > to > > > > defend that as within the bounds of acceptable behavior? Is this the > > > first > > > > time that has happened? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, lars hofhansl <la...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal > is > > > > sometimes infuriating, he's also funny and smart. > > > > > Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm > the > > > > only one. > > > > > > > > > > -- Lars > > > > > From: Stack <st...@duboce.net> > > > > > To: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org> > > > > > Cc: "d...@hbase.apache.org" <d...@hbase.apache.org> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:25 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists > > was > > > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client) > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I volunteer to help moderate. > > > > >> St.Ack > > > > > Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of > > > Michael. > > > > > Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > St.Ack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey < > bus...@cloudera.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion > > > > thread) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it > still > > > > seems > > > > >>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh > community > > > or > > > > >>> escalating. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three > month > > > > period > > > > >>> instead of an outright ban? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing > > list, > > > > but > > > > >>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. > > Presuming > > > > that > > > > >>> I > > > > >>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to > > > > >>> volunteer > > > > >>> to help take on part of the burden. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -Sean > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell < > > apurt...@apache.org > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to > > be > > > > >>> clear > > > > >>>> that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and > won't > > be > > > > >>>> tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to > > the > > > > >>>> community should the message be received. So let me amend my > > > proposal > > > > - > > > > >>> a > > > > >>>> three month temporary ban. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling > > for > > > a > > > > >>> vote > > > > >>>> is this would be the first time in the history of the project we > > > would > > > > >>> take > > > > >>>> this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is > > > > >>> enough, in > > > > >>>> my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then > > > please > > > > >>> speak > > > > >>>> up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell < > > > apurt...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev > > communities > > > if > > > > >>>> they > > > > >>>>> would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any > > and > > > > >>> all > > > > >>>>> email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing > > > > lists. > > > > >>>> The > > > > >>>>> basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. > > Nobody > > > > >>> trying > > > > >>>>> to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel < > > > > >>>> michael_se...@hotmail.com> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Sean, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that > > pounds > > > > >>> code? > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I don’t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in > > > engineering > > > > >>>>>> schools these days? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> Best regards, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - Andy > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - > > Piet > > > > Hein > > > > >>>> (via Tom White) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > > - Andy > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein > (via Tom White) > -- Sean
