This is good news. I am very proud of folks at the COVID Watch team that have been pushing and collaborating for a a better mobile APIs that don't hide BLE capabilities.
And a shout-out to the individuals and groups who developed DP-3T, which seems to be the basis for the Apple/Google APIs. (Concerns: The PR releases putting governments first does not feel like privacy preserving. Also, DP-3T and other groups everywhere were not given even a mention. On the technical side, if the full API is used, there is no way to facilitate reporting being down with COVID-19. So, my "This is good news." has some caveats.) The API is not ready, yet. Onward! > On Apr 10, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Mike Doub via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121 > On Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 PM -0400, dsc--- via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >> And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is >> the volunteer form: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform >> >> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform> >> >> >>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode >>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related. >>> >>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an >>> app. >>> co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com> >>> >>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go >>> in one's own direction? >>> >>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if >>> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. >>> >>> Dar >>> team COVID Watch >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David. >>>> >>>> Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode >>>> programmers. His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN >>>> libraries available within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a >>>> couple channels at COVID Watch Slack. >>>> >>>> Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a >>>> wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test >>>> apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. >>>> >>>> COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to >>>> convert Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode. >>>> >>>> I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I >>>> will try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette? >>>> >>>> Dar >>>> team COVID Watch >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode >>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start. >>>>> >>>>> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact >>>>> tracing app would be a great Livecode project. >>>>> >>>>> This is what I’m thinking: >>>>> >>>>> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode >>>>> experiments not he topic >>>>> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed >>>>> • We invite a few people >>>>> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some >>>>> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons >>>>> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event >>>>> >>>>> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / >>>>> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty >>>>> good at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences >>>>> and editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly >>>>> Livecode novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - >>>>> most probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi. >>>>> >>>>> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest >>>>> from the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on >>>>> this list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the >>>>> party is not empty. >>>>> >>>>> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the >>>>> evening Europe time, after midday US time. >>>>> >>>>> Any thoughts / takers? >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody! >>>>>> >>>>>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways. >>>>>> >>>>>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition <https://tcn-coalition.org/>. >>>>>> These teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is >>>>>> there with help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see >>>>>> a list with links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to >>>>>> seek out those whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be >>>>>> appealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and >>>>>> "Eastcoast" PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a >>>>>> direction or need you want to focus on, I can try to help. >>>>>> >>>>>> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela >>>>>> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to >>>>>> be under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose >>>>>> methods that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has >>>>>> some nice features. >>>>>> https://github.com/DP-3T <https://github.com/DP-3T> >>>>>> >>>>>> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that >>>>>> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than >>>>>> what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the >>>>>> works. You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new >>>>>> education app. The education app might remind people how they downloaded >>>>>> that app and how to download the kind of app described in the comic. You >>>>>> can run with this on your own. >>>>>> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ <https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a >>>>>> few minutes. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare >>>>>> providers to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some >>>>>> means of making sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of >>>>>> cryptographic signature or something. While groups are focusing on the >>>>>> user app, the hospital apps are seeing less work. >>>>>> >>>>>> And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect >>>>>> that there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at >>>>>> the Nicky Case comic. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can >>>>>> give it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some >>>>>> handwaving. >>>>>> >>>>>> One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. >>>>>> Encouraging friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. >>>>>> Rapid adoption will become important. And even education about contact >>>>>> tracing in general. >>>>>> >>>>>> You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about. >>>>>> >>>>>> Contact me if you need any help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode >>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy to contribute as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode >>>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. >>>>>>>> Anyone else? >>>>>>>> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >>>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, everybody! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I apologize for the drive-by email. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of >>>>>>>>> COVID-19 containment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary >>>>>>>>> privacy-protecting contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother >>>>>>>>> mandates some central DB app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, >>>>>>>>> Private Watch Safe Paths, and others. Most have already started and >>>>>>>>> are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe Paths has something out. >>>>>>>>> However, there might be some room in creating some instant apps in >>>>>>>>> LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams are just >>>>>>>>> getting started and need something fast. I think we need some >>>>>>>>> education apps done quickly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving >>>>>>>>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I >>>>>>>>> mentioned. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I >>>>>>>>> said, "Drive by email". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dar Scott >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
