And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is the volunteer form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform>
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related. > > Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an > app. > co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com> > > Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in > one's own direction? > > Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if > you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. > > Dar > team COVID Watch > > >> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David. >> >> Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode programmers. >> His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN libraries available >> within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a couple channels at >> COVID Watch Slack. >> >> Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a >> wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test >> apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. >> >> COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to convert >> Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode. >> >> I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I will >> try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette? >> >> Dar >> team COVID Watch >> >> >>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode >>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start. >>> >>> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact >>> tracing app would be a great Livecode project. >>> >>> This is what I’m thinking: >>> >>> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode >>> experiments not he topic >>> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed >>> • We invite a few people >>> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some >>> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons >>> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event >>> >>> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / >>> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good >>> at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and >>> editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode >>> novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most >>> probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi. >>> >>> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from >>> the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this >>> list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party >>> is not empty. >>> >>> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening >>> Europe time, after midday US time. >>> >>> Any thoughts / takers? >>> >>> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody! >>>> >>>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways. >>>> >>>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition <https://tcn-coalition.org/>. These >>>> teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with >>>> help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with >>>> links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those >>>> whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing. >>>> >>>> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" >>>> PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or >>>> need you want to focus on, I can try to help. >>>> >>>> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela >>>> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be >>>> under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods >>>> that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice >>>> features. >>>> https://github.com/DP-3T <https://github.com/DP-3T> >>>> >>>> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that >>>> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than >>>> what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the >>>> works. You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new >>>> education app. The education app might remind people how they downloaded >>>> that app and how to download the kind of app described in the comic. You >>>> can run with this on your own. >>>> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ <https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/> >>>> >>>> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a >>>> few minutes. >>>> >>>> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare >>>> providers to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some >>>> means of making sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of >>>> cryptographic signature or something. While groups are focusing on the >>>> user app, the hospital apps are seeing less work. >>>> >>>> And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect >>>> that there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at >>>> the Nicky Case comic. >>>> >>>> I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can >>>> give it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some >>>> handwaving. >>>> >>>> One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. Encouraging >>>> friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. Rapid adoption >>>> will become important. And even education about contact tracing in general. >>>> >>>> You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about. >>>> >>>> Contact me if you need any help. >>>> >>>> Dar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode >>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Happy to contribute as well. >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode >>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. >>>>>> Anyone else? >>>>>> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, everybody! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I apologize for the drive-by email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of >>>>>>> COVID-19 containment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary >>>>>>> privacy-protecting contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother >>>>>>> mandates some central DB app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, >>>>>>> Private Watch Safe Paths, and others. Most have already started and are >>>>>>> using swift and kotlin. Only Safe Paths has something out. However, >>>>>>> there might be some room in creating some instant apps in LiveCode or >>>>>>> in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams are just getting started >>>>>>> and need something fast. I think we need some education apps done >>>>>>> quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving >>>>>>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I >>>>>>> mentioned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I >>>>>>> said, "Drive by email". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dar Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
