Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121 On Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 PM -0400, dsc--- via use-livecode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: > And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is > the volunteer form: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform > > <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform> > > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related. > > > > Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an > > app. > > co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com> > > > > Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go > > in one's own direction? > > > > Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if > > you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. > > > > Dar > > team COVID Watch > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David. > > > > > > Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode > > > programmers. His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN > > > libraries available within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining > > > a couple channels at COVID Watch Slack. > > > > > > Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to > > > a wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create > > > test apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. > > > > > > COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to > > > convert Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode. > > > > > > I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I > > > will try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette? > > > > > > Dar > > > team COVID Watch > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode > > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start. > > > > > > > > I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact > > > > tracing app would be a great Livecode project. > > > > > > > > This is what I’m thinking: > > > > > > > > • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode > > > > experiments not he topic > > > > • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I > > > > missed > > > > • We invite a few people > > > > • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - > > > > some coding, some writing, some design / cartoons > > > > • We showcase the results at a wrap up event > > > > > > > > I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media > > > > / Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting > > > > pretty good at organising small and larger scale interactive video > > > > conferences and editing together the footage for feedback > > > > documentation. Mostly Livecode novices but interested to learn. So we > > > > could set up the event - most probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi. > > > > > > > > To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest > > > > from the community - in the end it should be something that the folks > > > > on this list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other > > > > people the party is not empty. > > > > > > > > I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the > > > > evening Europe time, after midday US time. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts / takers? > > > > > > > > On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode > > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody! > > > > > > > > > > There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways. > > > > > > > > > > Several teams are in the TCN Coalition <https://tcn-coalition.org/>. > > > > > These teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is > > > > > there with help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can > > > > > see a list with links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want > > > > > to seek out those whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be > > > > > appealing. > > > > > > > > > > Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and > > > > > "Eastcoast" PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have > > > > > a direction or need you want to focus on, I can try to help. > > > > > > > > > > A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by > > > > > Carmela Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is > > > > > considered to be under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group > > > > > includes teams whose methods that require trusted servers. DT-3T does > > > > > not.) This project has some nice features. > > > > > https://github.com/DP-3T <https://github.com/DP-3T> > > > > > > > > > > Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format > > > > > that explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like > > > > > DT-3T than what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch > > > > > is in the works. You can incorporate this into your current apps or > > > > > make a new education app. The education app might remind people how > > > > > they downloaded that app and how to download the kind of app > > > > > described in the comic. You can run with this on your own. > > > > > https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ <https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/> > > > > > > > > > > Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just > > > > > a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare > > > > > providers to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need > > > > > some means of making sure there are few false reports. Maybe some > > > > > sort of cryptographic signature or something. While groups are > > > > > focusing on the user app, the hospital apps are seeing less work. > > > > > > > > > > And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I > > > > > suspect that there might have to be more, depending on the team. > > > > > Server? Look at the Nicky Case comic. > > > > > > > > > > I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I > > > > > can give it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide > > > > > some handwaving. > > > > > > > > > > One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. > > > > > Encouraging friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. > > > > > Rapid adoption will become important. And even education about > > > > > contact tracing in general. > > > > > > > > > > You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about. > > > > > > > > > > Contact me if you need any help. > > > > > > > > > > Dar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode > > > > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy to contribute as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode > > > > > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for > > > > > > > this. Anyone else? > > > > > > > On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode > > > > > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, everybody! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for the drive-by email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part > > > > > > > > of COVID-19 containment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several teams out there working on voluntary > > > > > > > > privacy-protecting contact tracing apps to deploy before Big > > > > > > > > Brother mandates some central DB app usage. Those include COVID > > > > > > > > Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and others. Most have > > > > > > > > already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe Paths > > > > > > > > has something out. However, there might be some room in > > > > > > > > creating some instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in > > > > > > > > other ways. Also, some teams are just getting started and need > > > > > > > > something fast. I think we need some education apps done > > > > > > > > quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app > > > > > > > > development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy > > > > > > > > preserving contact tracing projects. And also look specifically > > > > > > > > I the ones I mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. > > > > > > > > Like I said, "Drive by email". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your > > > > > > > > ha-a-ands!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dar Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight > > > > > > > > COVID-19.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
