And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related. Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app. co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com>
Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in one's own direction? Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. Dar team COVID Watch > On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David. > > Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode programmers. > His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN libraries available > within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a couple channels at > COVID Watch Slack. > > Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a > wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test > apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. > > COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to convert > Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode. > > I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I will > try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette? > > Dar > team COVID Watch > > >> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start. >> >> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact tracing >> app would be a great Livecode project. >> >> This is what I’m thinking: >> >> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode experiments >> not he topic >> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed >> • We invite a few people >> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some >> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons >> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event >> >> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / >> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good >> at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and >> editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode >> novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most >> probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi. >> >> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from >> the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this >> list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party >> is not empty. >> >> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening >> Europe time, after midday US time. >> >> Any thoughts / takers? >> >> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>> >>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody! >>> >>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways. >>> >>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition <https://tcn-coalition.org/>. These >>> teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with >>> help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with >>> links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those >>> whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing. >>> >>> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" >>> PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or >>> need you want to focus on, I can try to help. >>> >>> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela >>> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be >>> under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods >>> that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice >>> features. >>> https://github.com/DP-3T <https://github.com/DP-3T> >>> >>> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that >>> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than >>> what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the works. >>> You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new education >>> app. The education app might remind people how they downloaded that app and >>> how to download the kind of app described in the comic. You can run with >>> this on your own. >>> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ <https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/> >>> >>> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a few >>> minutes. >>> >>> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare >>> providers to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some >>> means of making sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of >>> cryptographic signature or something. While groups are focusing on the user >>> app, the hospital apps are seeing less work. >>> >>> And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect that >>> there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at the >>> Nicky Case comic. >>> >>> I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can >>> give it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some >>> handwaving. >>> >>> One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. Encouraging >>> friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. Rapid adoption >>> will become important. And even education about contact tracing in general. >>> >>> You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about. >>> >>> Contact me if you need any help. >>> >>> Dar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Happy to contribute as well. >>>> >>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode >>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone >>>>> else? >>>>> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode >>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote: >>>>>> Hi, everybody! >>>>>> >>>>>> I apologize for the drive-by email. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of >>>>>> COVID-19 containment. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary >>>>>> privacy-protecting contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother >>>>>> mandates some central DB app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, >>>>>> Private Watch Safe Paths, and others. Most have already started and are >>>>>> using swift and kotlin. Only Safe Paths has something out. However, >>>>>> there might be some room in creating some instant apps in LiveCode or in >>>>>> supporting in other ways. Also, some teams are just getting started and >>>>>> need something fast. I think we need some education apps done quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development. >>>>>> >>>>>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving >>>>>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I >>>>>> mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I >>>>>> said, "Drive by email". >>>>>> >>>>>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!" >>>>>> >>>>>> Dar Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19.. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
