On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper <kevin.sim...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the website is good,
If they'd fix the download link on https://www.torproject.org/download/ it would be a lot better. > I felt before that it left out newcomers that > didn't know what torbrowser was already, so much was going on that it would > confuse people that just have heard others mention tor browser and want to > check it out. It seems to me that newcomers are the ones that most need warnings instead of a blanket Protect yourself against tracking, surveillance, and censorship. but I don't see anything there about tbb not defaulting to a safer config https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TBBJavaScriptEnabled and is this still be an open problem? https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4x3qnj/how-the-nsa-or-anyone-else-can-crack-tors-anonymity But tor needs 'covering traffic' and .. what? They don't want to scare people away? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/dear-nsa-privacy-fundamental-right-not-reasonable-suspicion > I think there is still space for more nerdy pages and I think anyone is > allowed to create such a page if they want +1 > > The only thing I am missing is some call to actions for different parts of > the website when you have done scrolling to the bottom of the page 😄 I'm missing a link for downloading tor. Regards, Lee > > -Kevin > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 4:17 PM Lee <ler...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/3/19, blacklight...@tutanota.com <blacklight...@tutanota.com> wrote: >> > Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point >> >> It looks more like frustration to me >> >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org >> >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. >> >> Starting at https://www.torproject.org/ >> Browse Privately. >> - with no caveats. >> BLOCK TRACKERS >> - except they aren't actually blocked, just isolated. right? >> DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE >> - I suspect tor is a better defense than using a vpn but still... >> with no warnings or caveats it seems a bit much. >> RESIST FINGERPRINTING >> - yay! "Tor Browser aims to ..." a reasonable claim. >> >> But wait! There's more!! >> >> Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link & go to >> https://www.torproject.org/download/ >> Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link on that page and get sent to >> "../download/" but that's where I was, so wtf? Maybe I need >> javascript enabled?? >> >> There's also a link for "Verify Tor Browser signature" but no link to >> the signature file. >> >> At least the "Download in another language" link gets me to a page >> where I can download tbb and the sig. It doesn't show which version >> will be downloaded, but it does have working links, so it's infinitely >> better than the download page. >> >> Lee >> >> >> > Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarp...@gmail.com: >> > >> >>> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they >> >>> have >> >>> a malicious intent? >> >>> >> >> >> >> Why do adversaries do that to their opponents? >> >> Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation. >> >> Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent". >> >> Adversaries often fund their opponents to keep them busy and happy >> >> even if opponent only a few steps tangent behind the race to actually >> >> being able to kill the adversary. It can work actively... >> >> "Here's a pile and stream of money to develop some useless >> >> or thing we want in an RFP / contract / grant / employee", >> >> or passively... "Hey, those guys seem to be going down useless >> >> paths, ok here's a bunch of money to keep them happily digging >> >> in those holes, LOL." Usually delivered by false fronts. >> >> See also "regulatory capture" type of concept. Also how nice >> >> salaries and simple weight of self reinforcing mass inertia and >> >> groupthink over time can keep any one or group settled into the >> >> same thing, less dynamism, up to even not abandoning and starting >> >> out elsewhere due to simple risk aversion... "job food friends >> lifestyle." >> >> >> >> >> >> Is an entity, product, or network subject to whatever >> >> to some degree or other? Maybe, maybe not, others decide. >> >> Yet without talking about and analysing harder questions >> >> once in a while, especially as generations come and go, >> >> people might have less sense therein. >> >> >> >> If a site looks sexy it must be good, right? >> >> That's what at least marketers think, and it's perhaps good enough >> >> for browsing mundane TV news sites. Yet there's no frontpage >> >> splash disclaimer for others with more sensitive, vulnerable, >> >> or different use cases. >> >> >> >> Nor mention of Tor people hypocritically trying to censor ban >> >> nodes out of the consensus for, ironically, nothing more than >> >> excercising their right to free speech. Instead of say punting that >> >> out to meta analysis projects that users can choose to subscribe >> >> to as suits their own likes, support, and thinking therein. >> >> >> >> To be fair, no different than any other business (say ibm.com) >> >> or opensource project... finding much suitability disclaimer >> >> on anyone's pages, surely not without a good number of clicks, >> >> it's of less interest or natural to cover some potentially >> >> questionable areas, adversarial weaknesses, etc... it doesn't sell. >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyhow... >> >> >> >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org >> >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects.. >> >> >> >> Site v1 >> >> first, domain 1998-01-29 >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net/ >> > >> >> >> >> same content actually to "circa" 2006 >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net/ >> > >> >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net/ >> > >> >> except for the gov diff >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net/ >> > >> >> >> >> curr >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net/ >> > >> >> >> >> Site v2 >> >> first, domain 2006-10-17 >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org/> >> >> last >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org/> >> >> >> >> Site v3 >> >> first >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org/> >> >> last >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org/> >> >> >> >> Site v4 >> >> first >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org/> >> >> >> >> >> >> Misc... >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> >> < >> http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> > >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> >> < >> http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> > >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> >> < >> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> > >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki >> >> < >> http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> what you said >> >>> >> >> >> >> It's really all junk lately, just delete it. >> >> -- >> >> tor-talk mailing list - > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> >> <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org> >> >> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >> >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> >> <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> > >> -- >> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
