On 4/3/19, blacklight...@tutanota.com <blacklight...@tutanota.com> wrote: > Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point
It looks more like frustration to me >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Starting at https://www.torproject.org/ Browse Privately. - with no caveats. BLOCK TRACKERS - except they aren't actually blocked, just isolated. right? DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE - I suspect tor is a better defense than using a vpn but still... with no warnings or caveats it seems a bit much. RESIST FINGERPRINTING - yay! "Tor Browser aims to ..." a reasonable claim. But wait! There's more!! Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link & go to https://www.torproject.org/download/ Click on the 'Download Tor Browser' link on that page and get sent to "../download/" but that's where I was, so wtf? Maybe I need javascript enabled?? There's also a link for "Verify Tor Browser signature" but no link to the signature file. At least the "Download in another language" link gets me to a page where I can download tbb and the sig. It doesn't show which version will be downloaded, but it does have working links, so it's infinitely better than the download page. Lee > Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarp...@gmail.com: > >>> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they have >>> a malicious intent? >>> >> >> Why do adversaries do that to their opponents? >> Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation. >> Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent". >> Adversaries often fund their opponents to keep them busy and happy >> even if opponent only a few steps tangent behind the race to actually >> being able to kill the adversary. It can work actively... >> "Here's a pile and stream of money to develop some useless >> or thing we want in an RFP / contract / grant / employee", >> or passively... "Hey, those guys seem to be going down useless >> paths, ok here's a bunch of money to keep them happily digging >> in those holes, LOL." Usually delivered by false fronts. >> See also "regulatory capture" type of concept. Also how nice >> salaries and simple weight of self reinforcing mass inertia and >> groupthink over time can keep any one or group settled into the >> same thing, less dynamism, up to even not abandoning and starting >> out elsewhere due to simple risk aversion... "job food friends lifestyle." >> >> >> Is an entity, product, or network subject to whatever >> to some degree or other? Maybe, maybe not, others decide. >> Yet without talking about and analysing harder questions >> once in a while, especially as generations come and go, >> people might have less sense therein. >> >> If a site looks sexy it must be good, right? >> That's what at least marketers think, and it's perhaps good enough >> for browsing mundane TV news sites. Yet there's no frontpage >> splash disclaimer for others with more sensitive, vulnerable, >> or different use cases. >> >> Nor mention of Tor people hypocritically trying to censor ban >> nodes out of the consensus for, ironically, nothing more than >> excercising their right to free speech. Instead of say punting that >> out to meta analysis projects that users can choose to subscribe >> to as suits their own likes, support, and thinking therein. >> >> To be fair, no different than any other business (say ibm.com) >> or opensource project... finding much suitability disclaimer >> on anyone's pages, surely not without a good number of clicks, >> it's of less interest or natural to cover some potentially >> questionable areas, adversarial weaknesses, etc... it doesn't sell. >> >> >> Anyhow... >> >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects.. >> >> Site v1 >> first, domain 1998-01-29 >> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net >> <http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-router.net/> >> >> same content actually to "circa" 2006 >> http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20061023145713/http://www.onion-router.net/> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130120133213/http://www.onion-router.net/> >> except for the gov diff >> http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20130420093515/http://www.onion-router.net/> >> >> curr >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190228035625/http://www.onion-router.net/> >> >> Site v2 >> first, domain 2006-10-17 >> http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20071011223019/http://www.torproject.org/> >> last >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101003133226/http://www.torproject.org/> >> >> Site v3 >> first >> http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20101010191937/http://www.torproject.org/> >> last >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190326100059/https://www.torproject.org/> >> >> Site v4 >> first >> http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20190327033924/https://www.torproject.org/> >> >> >> Misc... >> http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041108031017/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20070104070427/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20100416102850/http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20110728115309/https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki> >> >> >>> what you said >>> >> >> It's really all junk lately, just delete it. >> -- >> tor-talk mailing list - > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> <mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org> >> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk> >> > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
