Hi Folks,

There are a few instances of messages that we are trying to avoid on this
thread. We have contacted the posters, but we would like to remind folks to
try to keep the discussion civil and not send messages that are trying to
incite a combative response or messages that are singling out particular
individuals. Please stick to the technical discussion on the topics at
hand.

Please refer to the message sent to the list a few weeks ago -
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/9W7sx80XWO_RjAVBIFuaAUyAvns/

Thanks,

The Chairs


On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 8:15 AM David Adrian <davad...@umich.edu> wrote:

> > You mean "Google is putting massive amounts of pressure on people to
> try and make sure that DTLS loses to QUIC"
>
> Ah yes, that is why a Googler is actively implementing DTLS 1.3, spurring
> this entire thread. To meet the “DTLS loses to QUIC” OKR.
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 9:06 PM Peter Gutmann <pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> Ben Smyth <resea...@bensmyth.com> writes:
>>
>> >Datagram TLS over UDP (Userdata Datagram Protocol) is losing to Quic[k
>> UDP
>> >Internet Connections]
>>
>> You mean "Google is putting massive amounts of pressure on people to try
>> and
>> make sure that DTLS loses to QUIC" (or as one dev put it, "QUIC doesn't
>> deliver but no-one will say so in public because of Google's ire",
>> another one
>> mentioned "huge amounts of vitriol from Google when we tried to push back
>> on
>> QUIC").
>>
>> Peter.
>>
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