Thanks for clarifying, Ray..... Would enjoy joining you sometime, but for me, would likely need to be on a Monday - Friday, my weekends are a bit hectic for various reasons....
Best, Mark On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:36:17 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: > I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-) > Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet. > Tomorrow i start one again. > Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, making > plans, whatever comes up :-) > > Ray > > Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? >> >> In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later.... >> >> If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work >> right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch >> hour or sometimes my afternoons work. >> >> If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this >> post... :-) >> >> Mark >> >> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? >>> Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a higher level? >>> I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: >>> https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the >>>> right people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this would >>>> give a big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people using >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in >>>> the past week or so. >>>> >>>> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful >>>> tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found >>>> trying >>>> to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can >>>> quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one >>>> needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want it >>>> to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources available to >>>> customize TW. >>>> >>>> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful to >>>> a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & 2) >>>> the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found the >>>> way >>>> he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful and >>>> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his >>>> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >>>> >>>> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a >>>> point where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big >>>> payoff in doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >>>> included it in my TW.... >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ray >>>>> >>>>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote "TiddlyWiki >>>>> for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>>>> >>>>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware of. >>>>> Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>>>> >>>>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you >>>>> learn something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit >>>>> helps. I have done this at times on my >>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all means, >>>>> let's see what ya got! >>>>> >>>>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you get >>>>> stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, and >>>>> they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me >>>>> because >>>>> of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful people here >>>>> who >>>>> are generous with their time. >>>>> >>>>> Blessings! >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>>>> >>>>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and >>>>>> quit that recently for another tool. >>>>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. >>>>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible >>>>>> learning curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the >>>>>> magic unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, >>>>>> realy! >>>>>> >>>>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to look >>>>>> all over the place to find them. >>>>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>>>> (THANKS!!) >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit >>>>>> group kind of alive. >>>>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>>>> started. >>>>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the power >>>>>> and beauty of TW. >>>>>> >>>>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read TW >>>>>> lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>>>> >>>>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often >>>>>> not but i keep going, >>>>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>>>> >>>>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but >>>>>> extrovert enough :-) ) >>>>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>>>> >>>>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ray >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want >>>>>>> to derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in >>>>>>> this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving >>>>>>> Roam, >>>>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a >>>>>>> year >>>>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are >>>>>>> the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or >>>>>>> Connor's >>>>>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki >>>>>>> does. >>>>>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating >>>>>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for >>>>>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, >>>>>>> what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>>> gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> have a great open source product, how can we get and retain users? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, >>>>>>> myself included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> that we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> better onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just >>>>>>> remember how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a >>>>>>> couple >>>>>>> blog posts on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam >>>>>>> Research's @ >>>>>>> username a few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> could do with a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of >>>>>>> TW's >>>>>>> capabilities, and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> express it in non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and >>>>>>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more >>>>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right >>>>>>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube >>>>>>> videos >>>>>>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them >>>>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience >>>>>>> held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about >>>>>>> numerous >>>>>>> saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the >>>>>>> exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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