Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later....
If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch hour or sometimes my afternoons work. If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this post... :-) Mark On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: > Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? > Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a higher level? > I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: > https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) > > Ray > > Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <[email protected]>: > >> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the right >> people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this would give a >> big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people using it. >> >> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in the >> past week or so. >> >> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful >> tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found trying >> to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can >> quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one >> needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want it >> to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources available to >> customize TW. >> >> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful to a >> newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & 2) the >> other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found the way he >> communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful and >> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his >> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >> >> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a point >> where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big payoff in >> doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do this. >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >> included it in my TW.... >> >> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> Hi Ray >>> >>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote "TiddlyWiki >>> for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>> >>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware of. >>> Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>> >>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you learn >>> something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit helps. I >>> have done this at times on my >>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all means, >>> let's see what ya got! >>> >>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you get >>> stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, and >>> they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me because >>> of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful people here who >>> are generous with their time. >>> >>> Blessings! >>> >>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>> >>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and quit >>>> that recently for another tool. >>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. >>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible learning >>>> curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>> >>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the magic >>>> unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>> >>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, realy! >>>> >>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to look >>>> all over the place to find them. >>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>> (THANKS!!) >>>> >>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit group >>>> kind of alive. >>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>> started. >>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the power >>>> and beauty of TW. >>>> >>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read TW >>>> lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>> >>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often not >>>> but i keep going, >>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>> >>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but >>>> extrovert enough :-) ) >>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>> >>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>> >>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to >>>>> derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>> >>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>> >>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in >>>>> this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, >>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a >>>>> year >>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments >>>>> just >>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>> >>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are >>>>> the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's >>>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does. >>>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting >>>>> to >>>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating >>>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for >>>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>> >>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, >>>>> what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>> gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we >>>>> have a great open source product, how can we get and retain users? >>>>> >>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>> >>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself >>>>> included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that >>>>> we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with >>>>> better >>>>> onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember >>>>> how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog >>>>> posts >>>>> on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username >>>>> a >>>>> few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do >>>>> with >>>>> a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's >>>>> capabilities, >>>>> and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it >>>>> in >>>>> non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>> >>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and >>>>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more >>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for >>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for >>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten >>>>> for >>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>> >>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right >>>>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For >>>>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos >>>>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for >>>>> the >>>>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even >>>>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them >>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them >>>>> get >>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>> >>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience >>>>> held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous >>>>> saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could >>>>> get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the >>>>> exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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