May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and quit that recently for another tool. Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible learning curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-)
So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the magic unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, realy! What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to look all over the place to find them. I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon (THANKS!!) There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit group kind of alive. But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get started. But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the power and beauty of TW. What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read TW lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often not but i keep going, That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but extrovert enough :-) ) I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. So yes i would like to help. Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? Let me know your thoughts, please. Ray Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <[email protected]>: > > Hi all > > I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to > derail that thread and am starting a new one. > > 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM > > I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in this > Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, and it > can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on backlinks > as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a year ago, when > they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments just feel like > they are generated out of envy of their success. > > Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are the > ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's > account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does. > And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting to > learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating > videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for > Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. > > I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, what > can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that TiddlyWiki gets > the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we have a > great open source product, how can we get and retain users? > > 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI > > I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself > included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that > we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with better > onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember > how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog posts > on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username a > few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do with > a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's capabilities, > and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it in > non-technical, non-absract terms. > > Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and > promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more > video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for > Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for > TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten for > searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc > > Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right > strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For > free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos > and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for the > course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even > though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them > rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them get > their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. > > We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience held > us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous saving > options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could get the > onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the exposure, > TiddlyWiki would have its day. > > Thoughts? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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