I think you have some valid points. Also, I think tiddlywiki will always
kind of have its own niche. It is definitely underrated though!
I'm not a webdeveloper, but not tech-averse, and I understand that TW has
lots of potential, especially bc there is an active and passionate
community around it.
But I think the fact that documentation is kind of all over the place and
often-times a bit short makes it hard to get right into TW as a newbie. ofc
your toolmap is great and there are lots of efforts but one gets pretty
lost in looking up all those plugins and what they do in comparison to each
other.
For example, why not have something like a git backed documentation site
(like gitbook) where everyone can chip in?
Also, documentation for specific "Editions"/usecases should be more
centrally promoted (how is projectify not listed as a CE actually) , and
some more "modern" /clean themes being available from the start . maybe
having subforums for certain usecases would be good to promote establishing
those.
You are right in the "Roam" hype being actually great for TW. (It's
actually a pity, that stroll and Tiddlymaps don't work so well together,
but I'll write on the need for a bit more basic and exportable graphing
tool elsewhere). I think there's a general trend away from the social media
platforms and going "back to the roots", connecting and using standalone
websites with the more easy tools developing. (see also indie web)
A specific discourse there is "digital grdening", which anne-laure was
contributing, too , and i think tiddlywiki, especially with improving
static export capability could do very well there. because it is already a
note-taking tool, and a wiki, it is multi-device, and you don't need to
spend your whole time in the command line (looking at org-roam, that I'm
also looking at). The community could/should cater more to that maybe, as
it unifys much of the movement i was talking about. maybe a YT series -
digital gardening with tiddlywiki in X steps :) If you hit up tom critchlow
and anne -laure (who have mentioned TW specifically) or some other ppl they
maybe will promote it, and there also seems a telegram group around the
topic where you could seek support.
I think it's a very good fit - these are mostly younger professionals ( in
my eyes at least, and in comparison to ppl in the TW community seemingly
existing since the web was launched) who don't seem to have much problems
setting up own themes with ssg's which will be great when the anounced
framework is available. but, that's also why i discovered TW so this
interest is wuiute selfish.
Also *cough* google groups is a bit of an hinderance as ppl that TW might
want to appeal to gain support - security and open source related devs use
discourse now which is OS for those matters i think ;P
David Gifford schrieb am Freitag, 5. März 2021 um 14:56:02 UTC+1:
>
> Hi all
>
> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to
> derail that thread and am starting a new one.
>
> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM
>
> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in this
> Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, and it
> can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on backlinks
> as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a year ago, when
> they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments just feel like
> they are generated out of envy of their success.
>
> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are the
> ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's
> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does.
> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting to
> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating
> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for
> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki.
>
> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, what
> can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that TiddlyWiki gets
> the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we have a
> great open source product, how can we get and retain users?
>
> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI
>
> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself
> included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that
> we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with better
> onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember
> how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog posts
> on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username a
> few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do with
> a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's capabilities,
> and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it in
> non-technical, non-absract terms.
>
> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and
> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more
> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for
> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for
> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten for
> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc
>
> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right
> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For
> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos
> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for the
> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even
> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them
> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them get
> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to.
>
> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience held
> us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous saving
> options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could get the
> onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the exposure,
> TiddlyWiki would have its day.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
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