inséré en français : ce que j'ai voulu dire.
Hi Frederick !
(fr : Salut Fréderic !)
Le 18/10/2012 11:44, Frederik Ramm a écrit :
As I said, the majority of French contributors has never had any problem
with DWG whatsoever. (Of several thousand active contributors, only a
dozen or so has ever been blocked.) Of course, if you whip up sentiments
like Eric does marvellously ("look! they simply changed their rules
without asking us! that's an aggression don't you think? our nation is
in danger!") then people will side with him -
I am that sort of french contributor that never had any problem with DWG ;
(fr:Je suis un de ces contributeurs français qui n'ont pas eu de
problème avec le DWG.)
Nevertheless, I am not that sort of people reacting to "whiped up
sentiments" ; I don't know the better words to say this in english, but
you know, The way you insinuate that our sense of "nation in danger"
could be that suddenly triggered is a little bit offensive.
(fr:Cependant, je ne suis pas du genre à me laisser prendre par les
sentiments ; je ne sais pas trop comment dire ça en anglais, mais tu
sais, la façon dont tu insinues que notre sens de "nation en danger"
pourrait ainsi être soudainement réveillé est quand même un peu insultant.)
Note, a lot of french contributors are strongly involved in non-profit
organizations, which, in France, are governed under "1901" law ; meaning
that each member has one voting right ; that's rather complicated, but
we are used to practice ;
In this context, gouvernance is a subject we pay attention to.
(fr: remarques, il y a beaucoup d'entre nous qui appartiennent à des
asso 1901 ; ça veut dire une personne, une voix ; c'est assez compliqué,
mais nous le pratiquons chaque jour.)
I have nothing against starting a political process that tries to find
answers to all the questions that Christian asked in his talk message
you linked to: What authority does OSMF have, what authority does DWG
have, how doe we make rules in this project anyway,
I follow you until this assertion ;
(Je suis d'accord jusqu'à cette assertion.)
does the world-wide
community have a right to tell the French what to do (or do the French
have the right to tell the people in Toulouse what to do), and so on.
That assertion is something totally different, I don't understand how
you concatenate those.
(ça, c'est tout autre chose ; ces deux phrases ne vont pas ensemble.)
In
fact, having recently been elected to the OSMF board, this whole
question of "who makes rules and how and why are they allowed to" is one
of my pet issues that I hope to work on.
You are welcommed.
(fr:Bonne idée.)
However, working on answering all these question does not mean that in
the mean time, the French community can have their own rules while
everyone else doesn't. Until such time as a replacement is agreed upon,
the current import guidelines remain in force and this means that you
need a spearate account if you import any significant amount of data.
Did you ever heard of "participative management" ?
I mean that I am used to obey to rules when I do understand why,
technically, they reached the status of aventageous ; and when the
people giving orders show their ability to reuse and integrate feed-back
from workers.
By side, when I begin contributing ti osm, I easily found guidelines in
the french wiki, and follow them peacefully.
(fr: As-tu déjà entendu parler de management participatif ?
Je veux dire que perso, j'obéis aux règles quand je comprends pourquoi
elles sont considérées comme bénéfiques ; et quand les gens qui donnent
les ordres ont montré leur capacité à intégrer et réutiliser le retour
d'expérience des gens qui ont les mains dans le cambouis.
D'un autre coté, quand j'ai commencé à contribuer à osm, j'ai trouvé des
"guidelines" sur le wiki français, que j'applique depuis sans problèmes.)
So, Frederick, please, don't be so rude with all of us, and please,
explain why using a separate account increase DataBase's safety.
I am still hopeful.
(fr: Ainsi, Fréderik, s'il te plait, arrête de nous asticoter, et s'il
te plait, explique clairement en quoi utiliser un compte à part augmente
la sécurité des données de la base.)
Je garde espoir.)
Sincerely,
Hélène
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