(Two replies is one)
Am 03.05.2020 um 15:29 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:14, Hubert87 <sg.fo...@gmx.de
<mailto:sg.fo...@gmx.de>> wrote:
I like the idea of using "buffered".
"doorzone" to me, is a pretty laoded and subjective.
I don't see it as subjective. If there is parking directly next to the
bicycle lane and if a parked car opening a door would intersect with
the marked bicycle lane, then the bicycle lane is within a door zone.
Is it the term that's the issue or the concept? Judging by the
wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored it seems like a
fairly widespread term globally.
I'm familiar with that term and the concept. However 'doorzone' (to me)
seems to have negativ implications (=> hazard), due to cyclists being
doored. (If I remeber corectly, cyclelanes/paths next to parking cars
don't seem to be a big problem in NL due to the "Dutch Reach", this is
similar to cyclist being right-hooked as it is inherend of the position
of the cycleway relativ to the carrigeway)
So, I'd rather see the concept of "doorzone" be an emergend property of
multiple other tags (buffer, position of cycle lane, ...) derived by
data users/renderes/routers.
Maybe something like:
cycleway:right=lane
cycleway:right:lane=exclusive
(cycleway:right:buffered=right/left/both/no)
cycleway:right:buffered:right=yes/no/0.3(m)
The problem still exists that this doesn't say if you're at risk of
being doored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored (eg no buffer, but
also no parking lane), so a specific tag like
cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes/no/buffer addresses that better in my opinion.
Ideally, one of theese properties describing would need to use the
"parking:lane=*"- tag, to make is tag more wide spread.
My rational is, using the same tags, that one could conclude the conzept
of "doorzone" but also other parking conflicts, like crossing the cycle
lane to pull in/out of an parking spot.
Am 03.05.2020 um 16:07 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
I've started sketching this out at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:cycleway:lane:doorzone
but
I think we need more examples of the full range of scenarios as I've
only got two so far.
On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:35, Hubert87 <sg.fo...@gmx.de
<mailto:sg.fo...@gmx.de>> wrote:
Meant to also add a discriptive tag, like
cycleway:right:parking_lane=right/left/both/no/yes
You would just use the existing parking:lane:parallel=left/right/both
tag no?
Yes and No.
Yes, as it give additional data to use.
No, not "just", because that would not give the position of the parking
lane relativ to the cycleway/cyclelane.
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