Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

[Lukas-458]

Hi,

my question is whether this then rather would be something for the "place" tag? Or did we maybe have that discussion already?

 

--Lukas

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2020 um 18:28 Uhr
Von: "Manon Viou" <m_v...@cartong.org>
An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org>
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

Hello everyone,

 

It seems I haven't been very clear in my explanations; I sometimes have a bit of trouble choosing the right word (especially in English). And I think the “small”/”large” discussion is going the wrong direction…

 

The new tag we want to propose is to map refugee camps or as it’s seems better to say in English now : refugee sites. So we want to map human settlement.

 

The social_facility=shelter tag is very suitable to map single or individual building or a small group of buildings like a refugee center, an accommodation center or a care and hosting center for refugees.

 

But (according to many people now)  the social_facility=shelter tag is not suitable to map  refugee camps that are human settlements,  populated places where hundreds or  thousands people live.

 

That’s why we propose to create a new value for the amenity tag : amenity=refugee_site, to map human settlement where refugees can find protection.

 

kind regards, 

Manon

 

Le 17 avril 2020 à 13:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 

On 17/4/20 5:29 am, Manon Viou wrote:

Hello, 

According to Martin and Warin, the difference between large and small refugee site is not clear enough, 
Martin suggested to use population capacity, for instance less than 200 people fro small refugee site, 

Warin suggested to use number of square meters, 

For what I have observed, small facilities sheltering refugee (for instance: refugee centers, accommodation center, care and hosting center, church) are not exactly what we can call refugee site. the difference, beyond the number of building, number of population or square meter, is quite obvious.

 

?? How is it 'obvious'???

 

I have no idea of what that 'obvious' thing is!

 

 

Is it really necessary to set a precise rule ?

 

At the moment there is nothing that can be used to distinguish between the two.

Suggestion have been made on the number of buildings, number of people and the area.

 

Please tell us how you distinguish between them.

 

I would rather suggest to share some example (like the ones mentioned above) in order to help contributors to decide if it rather an amenity=refugee_site or a social_facility=shelter. 

 

Examples are fine. But there must be a statement in words of the difference between them.

Regards, 

Manon

Le 16 avril 2020 à 02:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 

On 16/4/20 1:23 am, Manon Viou wrote:

Thanks Martin, yes, refugee sites should always be temporary even if, as you said, some turn to be very long term places. That's why we do not suggest to add temporary/permanent options. 

Manon

 

In which case the description for amenity=social_facility + social_facility=shelter is not correct.

 

If it is to be done on area then specify the number of square meters rather than the number of buildings???

Buildings can be a of different sizes and capacities. An area could be more consistent as to the number of people.

Imagery may not be up to date so counting buildings may not be possible. 

 

Le 15 avril 2020 à 11:36, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> a écrit :

 

sent from a phone

 

On 15. Apr 2020, at 01:13, Warin < 61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I would think amenity=refugee_site is an area set aside for the non-temporary residential use of refugees

 

maybe I’m a dreamer, but I would expect all refugee related features to be “temporary”, even if we are talking about relatively long periods of time

 

Cheers Martin

 

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