Dear All,

I also agree that removing amenity=drinking_water as a tag makes sense. The
physical attributes of a node/way still exists - irrespective of whether
the water is drinking quality. For example,  a spring which has water
polluted after a big storm, stays a spring.

drinking_water = <yes/no> as a sub-tag seems more logical.

Assuming we open the pandora's box of removing amenity=drinking_water which
is used on 207,000 nodes and ways.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=drinking_water

What would be the best way to proceed to re-tag ?

Best regards,

Stuart

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 16:29, António Madeira via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I'm not going into etymologic discussions, but fountain, be it in British
> English or any other language with Latin origins is a source of drinkable
> water (a spring). Maybe, just guessing, there were fountains in Britain and
> they're not used anymore or were simply abandoned because they were not
> needed in the modern age, thus the evolution of the word to simply mean
> "ornamental fountain", but that's not the case in Mediterranean and Eastern
> countries.
> That was the main purpose of this thread, to discuss the "restrictions"
> that the wiki imposed on that main feature.
>
> If, in Britain, a fountain is normally a ornamental fountain, that
> shouldn't restrict the possibility of widening its meaning to encompass the
> reality in other countries, where fountains are, in fact, a potable source
> of water and an ornamental fountain (which doesn't allow to drink water due
> to the absence of a tap or a pipe) is just an extension of that or a
> subtype.
> I think that was fairly accomplished with the recent changes in the wiki
> and the use of drinking_water=yes on such features.
> Drinking fountain could be a good alternative, but it seems reserved to "a
> man-made device providing a small jet of water for drinking", which doesn't
> include at all the type of fountain I started this thread with.
>
> I just commented that I agreed that amenity=drinking_water should be
> abandoned, because you can use drinking_water=yes on all existing features
> that provide water (fountains, springs, wells, taps, drinking fountains,
> etc.)
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Às 11:40 de 06/02/2020, Paul Allen escreveu:
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:15, António Madeira via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> A fountain should be first and foremost a place where there's water
>> served to the public.
>>
>
> That may be the meaning of the word in some languages, but OSM uses British
> English.  In British English the word "fountain," by itself, usually means
> an
> ornamental fountain.  In British English, a fountain which supplies
> drinking water is
> known as a "drinking fountain."
>
> The concept of "sculptural and/or decorational" should be just a component
>> of the fountain, depending on the country/culture.
>>
>
> Nope.  The concept should be that "fountain" in OSM reflects its meaning
> in British
> English and not its meaning in another language.
>
> Decorational fountains without the use of drinking water are just a
>> subtype of fountain, because the main use/purpose of the vast majority is
>> to serve water.
>>
>
> This is just plain wrong.  There can be ornamental fountains which do not
> supply
> drinking water (because there are issues which mean it's not potable).
> There
> can be utilitarian, ugly drinking fountains such as those in schools.  And
> there
> can be ornamental fountains that also supply drinking water.  And all come
> under
> the generic term "fountain" in British English.  That's why there is a
> subtag
> drinking_water=yes which can be applied to an amenity=fountain (which means
> a decorative fountain) that also supplies drinking water.  If it's an ugly
> fountain there is amenity=drinking_water.
>
>
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
>
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