Dear All, I also agree that removing amenity=drinking_water as a tag makes sense. The physical attributes of a node/way still exists - irrespective of whether the water is drinking quality. For example, a spring which has water polluted after a big storm, stays a spring.
drinking_water = <yes/no> as a sub-tag seems more logical. Assuming we open the pandora's box of removing amenity=drinking_water which is used on 207,000 nodes and ways. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=drinking_water What would be the best way to proceed to re-tag ? Best regards, Stuart On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 16:29, António Madeira via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I'm not going into etymologic discussions, but fountain, be it in British > English or any other language with Latin origins is a source of drinkable > water (a spring). Maybe, just guessing, there were fountains in Britain and > they're not used anymore or were simply abandoned because they were not > needed in the modern age, thus the evolution of the word to simply mean > "ornamental fountain", but that's not the case in Mediterranean and Eastern > countries. > That was the main purpose of this thread, to discuss the "restrictions" > that the wiki imposed on that main feature. > > If, in Britain, a fountain is normally a ornamental fountain, that > shouldn't restrict the possibility of widening its meaning to encompass the > reality in other countries, where fountains are, in fact, a potable source > of water and an ornamental fountain (which doesn't allow to drink water due > to the absence of a tap or a pipe) is just an extension of that or a > subtype. > I think that was fairly accomplished with the recent changes in the wiki > and the use of drinking_water=yes on such features. > Drinking fountain could be a good alternative, but it seems reserved to "a > man-made device providing a small jet of water for drinking", which doesn't > include at all the type of fountain I started this thread with. > > I just commented that I agreed that amenity=drinking_water should be > abandoned, because you can use drinking_water=yes on all existing features > that provide water (fountains, springs, wells, taps, drinking fountains, > etc.) > > Regards. > > > Às 11:40 de 06/02/2020, Paul Allen escreveu: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:15, António Madeira via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> A fountain should be first and foremost a place where there's water >> served to the public. >> > > That may be the meaning of the word in some languages, but OSM uses British > English. In British English the word "fountain," by itself, usually means > an > ornamental fountain. In British English, a fountain which supplies > drinking water is > known as a "drinking fountain." > > The concept of "sculptural and/or decorational" should be just a component >> of the fountain, depending on the country/culture. >> > > Nope. The concept should be that "fountain" in OSM reflects its meaning > in British > English and not its meaning in another language. > > Decorational fountains without the use of drinking water are just a >> subtype of fountain, because the main use/purpose of the vast majority is >> to serve water. >> > > This is just plain wrong. There can be ornamental fountains which do not > supply > drinking water (because there are issues which mean it's not potable). > There > can be utilitarian, ugly drinking fountains such as those in schools. And > there > can be ornamental fountains that also supply drinking water. And all come > under > the generic term "fountain" in British English. That's why there is a > subtag > drinking_water=yes which can be applied to an amenity=fountain (which means > a decorative fountain) that also supplies drinking water. If it's an ugly > fountain there is amenity=drinking_water. > > > > -- > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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