Why is shop=convenience not a proper tag for "the only retail building in 40 miles radius"? Extra tags could be invented to highlight that it has a larger variety of non-food items than usual, or we could introduce a subtype with convenience=*. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:42 AM John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed > > > - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience > shops. > > - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or > special cultural interest > > - “markets” in developing countries. > > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops in > developing countries and specialty grocers in cities? > > > Are there still small groceries in Japan which sell non-perishable food > items, but would not be properly considerd a shop=convenience, shop=general, > shop=greengrocer or shop=supermarket? > > > I know the shops that you speak of. They were the local “everyday needs” shop > - the market/grocery shop, very similar to a general store - but in an urban > area. they were the only shop that had some of everything that wasn't covered > by the Rice shop, fish shop, the butcher, and the produce stand: curry mix, > spices, dish soap, eggs, milk, toilet paper, etc. they would be shop=market, > if that exists.They still exist in Japan, but are almost gone. The mom-n-pop > ones are operated by people that live over the shop, and they are still > operated for the locals to come sit there and gossip - but everyone goes to > the supermarket 3 minutes away. they never look like they sell anything, and > most have been shuttered, but a few are still there. the only corner market > I knew of was there are a few shop=general out in the mountains - but all the > “markets” were put out of business by supermarkets a long time ago in > California. I know of only one from personal experience. I hear of the > “corner shop” or “bodegas” in New York - similar to the little corner market > Bullitt buys his frozen dinners from in the movie in San Francisco - they > seem to be disappearing in developed countries. > > They are the proto-market: the Convenience store is more convenient, they > have no departments, they are not specific enough to be a greengrocer nor > have a stock of blankets, bullets, motor oil, and firewood like a general > store - they are the “daily market”, not a giant supermarket - the corner > store. > > a small market for daily living in developing countries feels like it would > be a shop=general - a general store has a certain feeling when it is the only > retail building in 40 miles in any direction, perhaps that is similar to the > developing country shops. > > I think shop=general for the small developing countries’ markets or these > fading local markets would be a good kludge, but it is not a fit **at all** > for some specialty shop in a big city. > > Mediterranean groceries or Caribbean foods, as found in some big cities. > > > This is a great question. there are all kinds of [asian country] markets in > San Diego, and there are Philippine, Brazilian, and “Halal foods” shops here > in my area of Japan. There are also chain shops catering to “foreign foods” : > American snacks, British mints, South American Coffee, Italian pasta, etc. > they almost always are around food. > > if there is a convenience store, a supermarket, a “halal foods” shop, and a > butcher shop on the same block - that isn’t 4 “markets” - I think the idea of > a “foreign foods" market is good - and then choose a theme or country, or > religion, or similar tag would work. . I don’t know how that aspect would be > tagged - but the type of shop - the “import goods from some far off place > catering to a minorty group that lives in the region” is a very very common > occurrence, and very very rarely considered by the majority residents to be a > place to go shopping (they all shop at the supermarket, as their ethnic and > culturally specific goods are stocked there). I think having a shop=halal and > a shop=Japanese would be wrong - as the only place they would be used is > outside those areas, and confusing for people inside those areas. > > If we try to come up with a tag that fits all these uses, it won’t fit. We > need to create shop=* tags to fit these separately. > > Javbw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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