If you think the specialty shops should have there own tag, we could start using shop=specialty_grocery
But I would like someone from England to confirm if this is the specific British term. I’m ok with using shop=general for the small shops in developing countries, if we can edit the wiki to allow use in towns and cities. I don’t believe there is shop=market tag yet. There is amenity=marketplace for public markets, found in old town centers in Europe but much more common in the developing world. Probably shop=market would be too easily confused with marketplaces. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:42 PM John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed > > > - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience > shops. > > - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or > special cultural interest > > - “markets” in developing countries. > > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops in > developing countries and specialty grocers in cities? > > > Are there still small groceries in Japan which sell non-perishable food > items, but would not be properly considerd a shop=convenience, > shop=general, shop=greengrocer or shop=supermarket? > > > I know the shops that you speak of. They were the local “everyday needs” > shop - the market/grocery shop, very similar to a general store - but in an > urban area. they were the only shop that had some of everything that wasn't > covered by the Rice shop, fish shop, the butcher, and the produce stand: > curry mix, spices, dish soap, eggs, milk, toilet paper, etc. they would be > shop=market, if that exists.They still exist in Japan, but are almost gone. > The mom-n-pop ones are operated by people that live over the shop, and they > are still operated for the locals to come sit there and gossip - but > everyone goes to the supermarket 3 minutes away. they never look like they > sell anything, and most have been shuttered, but a few are still there. > the only corner market I knew of was there are a few shop=general out in > the mountains - but all the “markets” were put out of business by > supermarkets a long time ago in California. I know of only one from > personal experience. I hear of the “corner shop” or “bodegas” in New York - > similar to the little corner market Bullitt buys his frozen dinners from in > the movie in San Francisco - they seem to be disappearing in developed > countries. > > They are the proto-market: the Convenience store is more convenient, they > have no departments, they are not specific enough to be a greengrocer nor > have a stock of blankets, bullets, motor oil, and firewood like a general > store - they are the “daily market”, not a giant supermarket - the corner > store. > > a small market for daily living in developing countries feels like it > would be a shop=general - a general store has a certain feeling when it is > the only retail building in 40 miles in any direction, perhaps that is > similar to the developing country shops. > > I think shop=general for the small developing countries’ markets or these > fading local markets would be a good kludge, but it is not a fit **at all** > for some specialty shop in a big city. > > Mediterranean groceries or Caribbean foods, as found in some big cities. > > > This is a great question. there are all kinds of [asian country] markets > in San Diego, and there are Philippine, Brazilian, and “Halal foods” shops > here in my area of Japan. There are also chain shops catering to “foreign > foods” : American snacks, British mints, South American Coffee, Italian > pasta, etc. they almost always are around food. > > if there is a convenience store, a supermarket, a “halal foods” shop, and > a butcher shop on the same block - that isn’t 4 “markets” - I think the > idea of a “foreign foods" market is good - and then choose a theme or > country, or religion, or similar tag would work. . I don’t know how that > aspect would be tagged - but the type of shop - the “import goods from some > far off place catering to a minorty group that lives in the region” is a > very very common occurrence, and very very rarely considered by the > majority residents to be a place to go shopping (they all shop at the > supermarket, as their ethnic and culturally specific goods are stocked > there). I think having a shop=halal and a shop=Japanese would be wrong - as > the only place they would be used is outside those areas, and confusing for > people inside those areas. > > If we try to come up with a tag that fits all these uses, it won’t fit. We > need to create shop=* tags to fit these separately. > > Javbw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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