On 21-Sep-17 11:24 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
I am in total agreement with the proposal as it's been developed in
this thread.
I too am unfamiliar with structuring the voting process but it may be
enough to simply add a new section "Voting" at the end of the page,
copying some boiler-plate from some other proposal, and advertising on
this list. The voting, just like any discussion we engage in on these
mailing lists, is open to debate and the result is AFAIK non-binding.
People can do as they wish afterward.
NO. The formal process is to;
1) create a proposal page -
2) then call for comments as a new subject here on this list.
3) After at least 2 weeks consider any comments made, modify the
proposal and if that looks good
4) then call for votes as a new subject here on this list.
5) after another 2 weeks and some number of votes consider if it passes
OR
You can simply use the tag. There are some 235 uses from taginfo now, so
it has been used.
As there are few of these tags around then it should be documented -
create a new wiki page.
235 is not large but it does establish a use.
Taginfo also has use of 'permit' .. no explanation of what these are for
and the numbers are small.
Comment - there are a few that use it for car parks in the US. But no
information on where to obtain a permit.
I do think that the permit contact details need to be available, and
this should be suggested a a 'recommendation'? on the wiki page.
Many thanks to Kevin for the work you've done on this tag.
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 21-Sep-17 06:01 AM, marc marc wrote:
Le 20. 09. 17 à 20:39, Kevin Kenny a écrit :
Is this a minimal proposal that we can all tolerate?
I do not see any difference between access=permit and (not tag
for)
access to a sports club : you can go there if you meet certain
conditions and generally any sports club allows you to "buy a
permit
according to their formality"
I see no difference with private property either. if you "follow"
my formalities, you will have the right to come at home.
I think that it would be preferable to improve access=private
by adding a tag to describe any means of "overriding" this
restriction
rather than inventing a new type of access that is between
sports clubs
are public for the moment), access=private and paying
infrastructure
like tool roads.
The primary difference between access=private and access=permit
is that a formal permit system exists that anyone can easily use.
Some permits are easy and free,
some you and I cannot get (unless you are the right tribe or have
strong cultural connections).
Examples;
The Kokoda Trail is not 'owned' by the permit authority.
Here the Trail goes through many villages and is administered by a
government appointed body.
The practice here is to get a permit from the authority and not
bother with the property owners.
Typically normal people will use a guided 'tour' and that
organisation will be registered with the authority and get the
individual permits.
The Woomera Prohibited Areas (e.g. way 436098551) again are not
'owned' by the authority.
These areas have both the rocket range and property owners.
The range operators have provided the property owners with shelters -
most of the property owners use the shelters as cool places to
shelter from the heat (as well as rockets).
Here I would hope that people wanting access would negotiate with
both the permit system and the private property owner.
The permit system ensures that travellers are not present when the
rockets are being fired.
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There is enough difference that it should be tagged together with
the way that permits can be obtained.
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