> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
> 
>  Usually just a vending machine in a cage and some overused, under-maintained 
> toilets and lots of parking.


yea, i’m more familiar with the view points (Interstate 5 near camp Pendleton) 
and that style of crap rest area near Castaic lake. Maybe the map stop on 
interstate 8 as you come into san diego. I have driven 300,000 miles in 
California, and those are the 3 I can name.  they are usually barren dirty 
places you stop at only if you have to. all the SA/PA/ road stations are places 
you hope you can stop at here in Japan. They are usually very nice. 

I have stopped at 20 different SA/PA in Japan in the last month. I have been 
to.. 15 road stations (?) in 5 years. They are so different. 



> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:08 PM, tomoya muramoto <muramototom...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I just think Michi-no-eki is not "highway=*" category



The Road stations are specifically made for driving tourists in the same manner 
as an SA/PA, so they are in the same category.

Both SA and PA are in the road space, as should road stations. 



The wiki for rest_area shows some lonely picnic benches - not a row of shops 
selling food and souvenirs. the  

The new PA (a rest area) on the Kita-kanto is this: a little bit of grass, a 
vending machine, and a nice toilets.  

I would never consider the two road stations I linked to in the same class: 2 
restaurants, a motorcycle museum, a souvenir shop, etc. 

Maybe this is because there is such a huge disparity between a rest_area in the 
US and a nice road station.

The rest_area wiki page: 

> Some are set further back in the form of short loops of service road, and may 
> feature mobile fast food outlets, toilets etc.

To me, the presence of shops and amenities vs a lonely toilet is a big 
difference,  But t seems that gasoline is the dividing line between =services 
and =rest_area. 

perhaps the combination of:

highway=rest_area
+
retail=road_station 

is a good solution. 

Javbw. 
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