Along the major tollways and freeways in the U.S. there are full service areas that are for primarily for refueling but always offer other amenities like restaurants, telephones, and toilets. These were always called Service Areas by the New York State Thruway Authority and are referred to by that name on signs, as in Mohawk Service Area, for example. Then there are also Rest Areas that offer short-term parking, toilets, tourist information, and sometimes snack bars and picnic areas but not fuel.
As such, highway=services does not fit and they appear to be similar to what John's describing. Perhaps service=rest_area would work. But I have no firm objection to service=road_station except that I'm unfamiliar with that term. On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25-Jan-17 02:17 PM, John Willis wrote: > > Summary: highway=services easily fits modern tollway service areas, but a > services=road_station subtag would be a nice addition for “road stations” > found on non-motorway roads throughout Japan that predate motorways and are > treated differently. this would allow differentiated rendering and > searching. > > Example road stations in the middle of nowhere I have personally visited > (and just mapped / cleaned up). > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448938620#map=11/36.1415/137.8063 > (small) > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/468566277#map=11/35.8854/138.8576 > (large) > > feedback is requested. > > ~~~~~~~ > > Here in Japan, we have British style “service areas” on the motorways, > along with rest areas called “parking areas”, usually abbreviated SA and > PA, and are easy to tag with the existing tags. http://kitamoto-nikki.ke > ystar.jp/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/kamisato-sic-2.jpg ( Kamisato SA ) > > However a very old concept of “stations” exists along with it. Back when > the roads were foot paths through the country, there would be stations for > travellers to stop and rest and possibly take shelter from the weather. > http://www.fujiarts.com/japanese-prints/Static%20Se > ts/Hoeido%20Tokaido/2tokf.jpg at some point they were also for other uses > (security, domestic migration prevention), but they were mostly named > places with designated functions. > > These original road stations have evolved into the modern idea of a “road > station” ( michi-no-eki 道の駅 ) - and per the Japanese government, there > are currently 1100, They evolved and existed before the existence of the > motorways and their SAs. These are used by many people every day who travel > older routes that were bypassed by motorways or in more rural areas where > tourists are just traveling through on their way to visit a major > attraction in the wilderness (national parks, ski resorts, etc). > > here is the official government page listing the road stations > http://www.michi-no-eki.jp/en/?language=1 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_station > > > a road station is similar to a service area in that: > > - it offers parking, food, snacks (and sometimes gas). > > - it offers a break for drivers from a long drive. > > - it may offer local goods or a view of a local POI. > > - offers information, like driving conditions and local news. > > > And it differs from highway=services in that: > > - it is not on a motorway (tollway), but usually on a trunk or a primary > road, some of which are far away from a town (usually mountain roads), or > where major routes meet in a rural or wild area. > > - they are named “road stations” by government, which is a distinction > from the SA and PAs found on the tollways operated by the tollway. They are > signed as a “road station [name]” by the government > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_station#/media/File:R > oadside_Station_Seiryunosato_Hijikawa.jpg , as opposed to a service area > which is built into the tollway system, and shown with the SA name: > http://fumi.ninja-x.jp/31%209a.jpg > > - SAs are the only choice for travelers because they are on the tollway > system (leaving to visit another location would be expensive), whereas a > road station is often the only choice because of the remote location - but > there is no exclusivity like the SA /PAs enjoy. > > - Many are made for enticing tourists to stop in local towns they would > normally drive through (so they stop and spend money in a tiny town) - the > opposite of a SA or PA, which are there just for the traveller. This is > true for many small towns that exist in the “suburban” area of Japan, > surrounded by trun roads and tollways people would use to skip the town, so > a road station is designated for them. > > - many are on major routes in rural areas, sometimes in areas where there > is no other route, so they are the only services available - not a mere > time convenience. > > - in the wilderness, the road station may be the only permissive or safe > place to stop in an area, as everything else is private homes or abandoned > businesses on narrow roads. > > > I understand creating a new value for road station is stupid, since they > are so similar on a basic level, but I would like to create a services=* > subkey (which seems to just have some random values for some bus lines in > Germany?) to tag these road stations as something distinct from motorway > services, to allow a “michi-no-eki” icon to easily rendered on known > locations. > > highway=services > services=road_station > > Thoughts? > > Javbw > > > If your going to distinguish 'road houses' then consider SA, PA, etc too? > > Is it just distinguished by the type of road it is on? > The name, signs etc ... is one factor .. but the features offered are the > same or similar? In other words .. how similar are these things locally? > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
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