I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions for some
books.
I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing module using
mod2imp.
David
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit :
>
>> Cyrille,
>>
>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated verses
>> will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance.
>
> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the Lxxm file I
> processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp file. With
> which I tried to create a new module with imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in
> xiphos. Maybe you can test on your computer.
> That's where I am with lxxm sources.
> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a new module
> for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without the
> morphology and the numbers of strong.
>
>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text.
>>
>> David
>>
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>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything regarding the
>>>> proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?
>>>
>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of different
>>> version, all version are the same.
>>>
>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp file. For
>>> this reason I propose to create a new module with all the LXX books from
>>> Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ). If
>>> someone desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can still install the "old"
>>> module.
>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he can use
>>> this new source file.
>>>
>>>> Best regards, David
>>>>
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>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being supersets
>>>>>> from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning of the LXX v11n?
>>>>>
>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
>>>>>
>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding
>>>>>> of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification
>>>>>> systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha &
>>>>>> Pseudepigrapha
>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah
>>>>>> translations from the LXX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system
>>>>>> to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are
>>>>>> translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs
>>>>>> were consulted in producing this versification system:
>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this
>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be
>>>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still researching.
>>>>>>>> But since these have been double checked to printed editions,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the printing
>>>>>>> edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file correspond exactly to
>>>>>>> the printing edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in the
>>>>>>>> v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for speculating, but I
>>>>>>>> know these v11ns were checked and verified by a second individual
>>>>>>>> against a printed edition and also know there is a ton of low quality
>>>>>>>> texts online which claim to be things which they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The check was not good done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to put in
>>>>>>>> the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this :
>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
>>>>>>> printing edition, I have with me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the
>>>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be mistaken
>>>>>>>>>> about what this file is. Have a read of the comments in the file I
>>>>>>>>>> send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0. They are very
>>>>>>>>>> similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment near the end
>>>>>>>>>> of the header:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately encode
>>>>>>>>>> variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already
>>>>>>>>>> served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)"
>>>>>>>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n
>>>>>>>>>> folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am not sure:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I compare
>>>>>>>>> the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I ready to
>>>>>>>>> perform it. Please let me know the good way to help.
>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's not
>>>>>>>>> possible to use the current LXX v11n.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in
>>>>>>>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the discussions
>>>>>>>>>> on this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo contains the
>>>>>>>>>>>> .jar file you asked about. You cannot just download the individual
>>>>>>>>>>>> convert.sh script.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this from
>>>>>>>>>>> the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't find it again
>>>>>>>>>>> :-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple Bibles. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends to easily skip
>>>>>>>>>>>> empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a chapter here or a
>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter there has too many verses, it is probably that way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> support another Bible which has more verses for that chapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and others.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many issues regarding the LXX which are not easily
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual traditions of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same book in parallel with different versifications. I h research
>>>>>>>>>>>> for LXX in general can be found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with osis2mod?
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the Rahlfs text. If I
>>>>>>>>>>> use the current LXX v11n with my text I will have really a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> issues!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille
>>>>>>>>>>>> [<lafricai...@gmail.com>](mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> v11n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille
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