Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit : > Cyrille, > > Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated > verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance. Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the Lxxm file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp file. With which I tried to create a new module with imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on your computer. That's where I am with lxxm sources. As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a new module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without the morphology and the numbers of strong. > > The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text. > > David > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com > <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit : >>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything regarding >>> the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ? >>> >>> >> >> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of >> different version, all version are the same. >> >> >> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp >> file. For this reason I propose to create a new module with all the >> LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to use the >> LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can >> still install the "old" module. >> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he can >> use this new source file. >>> >>> Best regards, David >>> >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>> >>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being >>>>> supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning >>>>> of the LXX v11n? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well. >>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding >>>>> of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification >>>>> systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs: >>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions >>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & >>>>> Pseudepigrapha >>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations >>>>> from the LXX >>>>> >>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to >>>>> facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are >>>>> translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs >>>>> were consulted in producing this versification system: >>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB >>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations >>>>> >>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this >>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be >>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still >>>>>>> researching. But since these have been double checked to >>>>>>> printed editions, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the >>>>>> printing edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file >>>>>> correspond exactly to the printing edition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in >>>>>>> the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for >>>>>>> speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked and verified by >>>>>>> a second individual against a printed edition and also know >>>>>>> there is a ton of low quality texts online which claim to be >>>>>>> things which they are not. >>>>>>> >>>>>> The check was not good done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to >>>>>>> put in the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Then I can confirm this : >>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the >>>>>> printing edition, I have with me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the >>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the >>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be >>>>>>>>> mistaken about what this file is. Have a read of the comments >>>>>>>>> in the file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in >>>>>>>>> 1.8.0. They are very similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes >>>>>>>>> this comment near the end of the header: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately >>>>>>>>> encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that >>>>>>>>> are already served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)" >>>>>>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX >>>>>>>>> v11n folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am >>>>>>>>> not sure: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I >>>>>>>> compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I >>>>>>>> ready to perform it. Please let me know the good way to help. >>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's >>>>>>>> not possible to use the current LXX v11n. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in >>>>>>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the >>>>>>>>> discussions on this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your >>>>>>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The >>>>>>>>>>> repo contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot just >>>>>>>>>>> download the individual convert.sh script. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this >>>>>>>>>> from the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't >>>>>>>>>> find it again :- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple >>>>>>>>>>> Bibles. The SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends >>>>>>>>>>> to easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a >>>>>>>>>>> chapter here or a chapter there has too many verses, it is >>>>>>>>>>> probably that way to support another Bible which has more >>>>>>>>>>> verses for that chapter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and >>>>>>>>>>> others. There are many issues regarding the LXX which are >>>>>>>>>>> not easily resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual >>>>>>>>>>> traditions of the same book in parallel with different >>>>>>>>>>> versifications. I h research for LXX in general can be found >>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with >>>>>>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the >>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I >>>>>>>>>> will have really a lot of issues! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>> <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many >>>>>>>>>>> errors! >>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules using >>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n? >>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me >>>>>>>>>>> worries, like >>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make >>>>>>>>>>> you a >>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. >>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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