Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David Haslam a écrit : > Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative translation of one > verse can be relegated to a footnote, > Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by having > alternatives for whole books.
Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne and Bel). I saw in the Vulglaire module something like 2 translation? > > This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a single module. > > I think it requires two modules A & B. > > The B module need not include the non-duplicated books. > > Has anyone got a better solution? Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for LXX, with the current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs text. If another solution is not found, I will creat 2 modules for each different texts. > > David > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com > <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38, David Haslam a écrit : >>> I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions >>> for some books. >> Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some books. Then you >> propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis propose an option to add the two >> translation? >>> >>> I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing >>> module using mod2imp. >>> >>> David >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit : >>>>> Cyrille, >>>>> >>>>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated >>>>> verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance. >>>> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the >>>> Lxxm file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a >>>> brand new imp file. With which I tried to create a new module with >>>> imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on >>>> your computer. >>>> That's where I am with lxxm sources. >>>> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a >>>> new module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, >>>> but without the morphology and the numbers of strong. >>>>> >>>>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit : >>>>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything >>>>>>> regarding the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of >>>>>> different version, all version are the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp >>>>>> file. For this reason I propose to create a new module with all >>>>>> the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to >>>>>> use the LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to have the Strong and >>>>>> Morpho he can still install the "old" module. >>>>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he >>>>>> can use this new source file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being >>>>>>>>> supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the >>>>>>>>> beginning of the LXX v11n? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well. >>>>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow >>>>>>>>> encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based >>>>>>>>> versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation >>>>>>>>> with OTs: >>>>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions >>>>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha >>>>>>>>> & Pseudepigrapha >>>>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah >>>>>>>>> translations from the LXX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this >>>>>>>>> system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, >>>>>>>>> which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The >>>>>>>>> following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system: >>>>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB >>>>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this >>>>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be >>>>>>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this >>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still >>>>>>>>>>> researching. But since these have been double checked to >>>>>>>>>>> printed editions, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the >>>>>>>>>> printing edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file >>>>>>>>>> correspond exactly to the printing edition. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors >>>>>>>>>>> in the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for >>>>>>>>>>> speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked and >>>>>>>>>>> verified by a second individual against a printed edition >>>>>>>>>>> and also know there is a ton of low quality texts online >>>>>>>>>>> which claim to be things which they are not. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The check was not good done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now >>>>>>>>>>> to put in the research. I hope you find a way to check and >>>>>>>>>>> confirm. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this : >>>>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with >>>>>>>>>> the printing edition, I have with me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be >>>>>>>>>>>>> mistaken about what this file is. Have a read of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in the file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h >>>>>>>>>>>>> included in 1.8.0. They are very similar, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>> *-super.h v11n includes this comment near the end of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> header: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that >>>>>>>>>>>>> separately encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobit, etc. that are already served by the Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>>>> versification system (q.v.)." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system >>>>>>>>>>>>> (q.v.)" refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> reference. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not sure: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I >>>>>>>>>>>> compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>> issues. I ready to perform it. Please let me know the good >>>>>>>>>>>> way to help. >>>>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, >>>>>>>>>>>> it's not possible to use the current LXX v11n. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate >>>>>>>>>>>>> traditions in there. I may need to go search old emails >>>>>>>>>>>>> to dig up the discussions on this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just download the individual convert.sh script. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this from the automatic email send? If it is this email I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't find it again :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bibles. The SWORD engine provides a facility for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frontends to easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discover that a chapter here or a chapter there has too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many verses, it is probably that way to support another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible which has more verses for that chapter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. There are many issues regarding the LXX which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not easily resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> textual traditions of the same book in parallel with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different versifications. I h research for LXX in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general can be found here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text I will have really a lot of issues! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using LXX v11n? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worries, like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A. Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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