Cyrille,
As yet, CrossWire does not distribute a module called FreVulgGlaire.
However, I have done some text development in GitHub for the VulgGlaire repo of
Marjorie Burghart.
Out of that should eventually come a SWORD module submission.
I already made a preliminary module for testing purposes.
Is this what you had in mind?
Best regards,
David
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 14:07, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David Haslam a écrit :
>
>> Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative translation of one verse
>> can be relegated to a footnote,
>> Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by having alternatives for
>> whole books.
>
> Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne and Bel). I saw
> in the Vulglaire module something like 2 translation?
>
>> This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a single module.
>>
>> I think it requires two modules A & B.
>>
>> The B module need not include the non-duplicated books.
>>
>> Has anyone got a better solution?
>
> Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for LXX, with the
> current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs text. If another solution is not
> found, I will creat 2 modules for each different texts.
>
>> David
>>
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>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions for some
>>>> books.
>>>
>>> Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some books. Then you
>>> propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis propose an option to add the two
>>> translation?
>>>
>>>> I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing module
>>>> using mod2imp.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cyrille,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated
>>>>>> verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the Lxxm
>>>>> file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp
>>>>> file. With which I tried to create a new module with imp2vs, but nothing
>>>>> is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on your computer.
>>>>> That's where I am with lxxm sources.
>>>>> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a new
>>>>> module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without
>>>>> the morphology and the numbers of strong.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything regarding the
>>>>>>>> proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of
>>>>>>> different version, all version are the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp file.
>>>>>>> For this reason I propose to create a new module with all the LXX
>>>>>>> books from Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to use the
>>>>>>> LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can
>>>>>>> still install the "old" module.
>>>>>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he can
>>>>>>> use this new source file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards, David
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being
>>>>>>>>>> supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning of
>>>>>>>>>> the LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow
>>>>>>>>>> encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based
>>>>>>>>>> versification systems. In particular, it was produced in
>>>>>>>>>> consultation with OTs:
>>>>>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
>>>>>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha
>>>>>>>>>> & Pseudepigrapha
>>>>>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah
>>>>>>>>>> translations from the LXX
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this
>>>>>>>>>> system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB,
>>>>>>>>>> which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The
>>>>>>>>>> following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
>>>>>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
>>>>>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this
>>>>>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be
>>>>>>>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of
>>>>>>>>>> this system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still
>>>>>>>>>>>> researching. But since these have been double checked to printed
>>>>>>>>>>>> editions,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the printing
>>>>>>>>>>> edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file correspond
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly to the printing edition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for
>>>>>>>>>>>> speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked and verified by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> second individual against a printed edition and also know there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a ton of low quality texts online which claim to be things which
>>>>>>>>>>>> they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The check was not good done.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this :
>>>>>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
>>>>>>>>>>> printing edition, I have with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be mistaken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what this file is. Have a read of the comments in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are very similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment near the end of the header:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are already served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to perform it. Please let me know the good way to help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to use the current LXX v11n.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download the individual convert.sh script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it again :-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple Bibles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends to easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skip empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a chapter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here or a chapter there has too many verses, it is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that way to support another Bible which has more verses for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that chapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many issues regarding the LXX which are not easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual traditions of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same book in parallel with different versifications. I h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research for LXX in general can be found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have really a lot of issues!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<lafricai...@gmail.com>](mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worries, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille
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