Ed,
Would it be possible for you to prototype your menu ideas for the GUI, so
we can visually see them? Personally, I'm leaning towards the idea of an
"Advanced" section. I feel like I've opened a pandoras box here.
-- Brian Washburn
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Barry Gerdes <barrygas...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Ed
>
> Yes key board operation has improved betweem O/S's now but when Apple was
> Motorola based and Microsoft was Intel based there were some problems that
> required separate coding and I have always avoided the Apple path..
>
> I personally hardly ever use a keyboard except for letter typing as I am
> only a two finger "expert" who needs to look at the keyboard to type. Even
> so my keyboard suffers from dyslexia and keeps printing the wrong
> characters. I come from an era when computers were judged by the size of
> the buildings and the number of valves and relays used. I taught myself to
> program in BASIC and never had the time or incination to go to structured
> programming although I have progressed to qb64 which is a hybrid c++
> program with a Basic style IDE.
>
>
> Barry Gerdes
> Beaumont Hills Observatory
> S 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: edtak...@cox.net
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:23:31 -0400
> To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re2: Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
>
>
> Another thought.
> I haven't looked to see how, but Apple and Microsoft have both
> internationalized their OS pull-down menus and equivalent keystrokes.
> So it is doable.
>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> Part of the objective I suggest is to NOT have duplication of function,
> menus allowing removal of some parts of Settings panes, like slide
> bars,
> (and providing clarification of what Save means and when, where and
> how to do it).
> Or perhaps rearrange the panes so that they totally do not or totally
> do duplicate menu/keystroke functionality.
> Or if not that maybe find some way to provide indication in panes for
> what settings are duplicative.
>
> The type of keyboard layout is, today, just a software setting.
> Perhaps more of a problem is muddling of keystrokes that start with
> the first letter of an English
> word<http://www.takken.us/stellarium/stellarium.menus.edtakken.pdf>
> .
> Provided everything else like Help files and Preference panes is in
> the native language for a user, though,
> would it be acceptable to have menus and their keystroke
> equivalents be in English,
> and be normally operated with the keyboard set to the same?
> A little English is very widely known, and pull-down menus
> provide a very ready tutorial for keystroke equivalents.
>
> Yes, there is a problem here.
> Maybe duplication within panes does need to be provide so some can avoid
> the English.
> But one thing for sure is that there is tremendous user interface reach
> and power in keystroke equivalents with menus, and not just on laptops.
> The words that say it all are "intuitive" and "facile," as in Apple's
> track record for software.
> Stellarium is missing some (or a lot).
>
> Please read my hopefully now more readable
> notes<http://www.takken.us/stellarium>
> .
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Barry Gerdes wrote:
>
> Hi
> Key stroke (key bindings) are very useful. particularly on lap tops
> although not so important on desktops where a mouse works well.
> The biggest problems we have with key bindings is twofold, the number with
> duplicate functions and the use of non USA keyboards. Check through the
> help file for the current key bindings for those that are already in use
> before commiting new ones
>
> Barry Gerdes
> Beaumont Hills Observatory
> S 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: edtak...@cox.net
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:46:55 -0400
> To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
>
> I should have added that keystroke equivalents give both
> ease of learning for the beginner via the menus, and
> good (perhaps the best possible) facile and fine-tuned control for the
> experienced users and astronomers.
> Ed.
> PS: Just updated my notes at
> takken.us/stellarium<http://www.takken.us/stellarium>.
> Hopefully they are more readable now.
>
>
> Hi Tom,
> It is the keystroke equivalents that are magic.
> The menus after a while are just a help display.
> Sub-menus can be used to make things fit on a small display.
> Ed
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
>
> I'm not convinced that replacing the nebula sliders with a drop-down
>
> menu would be more intuitive although I'm no expert on GUI design.
>
> Bear in mind that non-numerical information needs translations unless
>
> you use icons, potentially causing layout problems. Also drop-down
>
> menus wouldn't fit on a small screen (e.g. smartphone).
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On 19 March 2012 21:14, <edtak...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas and Brian,
>
>
> I think the way to do this one, as well as make the user interface both
> more
>
> facile and intuitive, is with drop-down menus.
>
> I put a draft of my idea at takken.us/stellarium, but need to do more to
>
> explain it.
>
> I suggest that the present slide bars are an encumbrance for the user.
>
>
> Ed Takken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
> Perhaps this could be implemented as a plug-in? ("extended DSO
>
> controls" or something like that). Personally I would like some
>
> extended controls particularly for making full use of the new NGC data
>
> catalogue. (Galaxy display based on surface brightness for example,
>
> which would certainly be useful for objects at low altitude.)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On 19 March 2012 17:03, Bogdan Marinov <daggers...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cool!
>
>
>
> I have a prototype image here:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/81471534@N00/6848489598/lightbox/
>
>
>
> Oh, my, more interface clutter. While users have requested a way to
>
>
> select which categories of DSOs are displayed, I think that a separate
>
>
> slider for each is overkill.
>
>
>
> Also, a comment on a previous question of yours:
>
>
>
> On 18 March 2012 14:15, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I also think that the sliders should be ticked and a label show their
>
>
> current value, because I'm not even sure what their value currently
>
>
> represents. (I assume apparent magnitude)
>
>
>
> The sliders are deliberately unitless and don't represent apparent
>
>
> magnitude. Instead, they control the number of objects shown on the
>
>
> screen with a somewhat unclear formula which includes apparent
>
>
> magnitude and dynamic eye adaptation.
>
>
>
> Please also have in mind that one of the reasons Stellarium is popular
>
>
> with educators and people who are total beginners in astronomy is the
>
>
> simplicity of its interface. New features should be carefully
>
>
> designed. Just slapping hack over hack as has been the tendency
>
>
> recently won't lead to anything good. We already kicked out the
>
>
> planetarium users, let's not alienate more groups.
>
>
>
> Bogdan
>
>
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