Hi Ed Yes key board operation has improved betweem O/S's now but when Apple was
Motorola based and Microsoft was Intel based there were some problems that
required separate coding and I have always avoided the Apple path.. I
personally hardly ever use a keyboard except for letter typing as I am only a
two finger "expert" who needs to look at the keyboard to type. Even so my
keyboard suffers from dyslexia and keeps printing the wrong characters. I come
from an era when computers were judged by the size of the buildings and the
number of valves and relays used. I taught myself to program in BASIC and never
had the time or incination to go to structured
programming although I have progressed to qb64 which is a hybrid c++ program
with a Basic style IDE.
Barry Gerdes
Beaumont Hills Observatory
S 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
From: edtak...@cox.net
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:23:31 -0400
To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re2: Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
Another thought. I haven't looked to see how, but Apple and Microsoft have
both internationalized their OS pull-down menus and equivalent keystrokes. So
it is doable.
Hi Barry,
Part of the objective I suggest is to NOT have duplication of function,
menus allowing removal of some parts of Settings panes, like slide bars,
(and providing clarification of what Save means and when, where and how to do
it). Or perhaps rearrange the panes so that they totally do not or totally
do duplicate menu/keystroke functionality. Or if not that maybe find some
way to provide indication in panes for what settings are duplicative.
The type of keyboard layout is, today, just a software setting. Perhaps
more of a problem is muddling of keystrokes that start with the first letter of
an English word. Provided everything else like Help files and Preference
panes is in the native language for a user, though, would it be
acceptable to have menus and their keystroke equivalents be in English,
and be normally operated with the keyboard set to the same? A little
English is very widely known, and pull-down menus provide a very ready tutorial
for keystroke equivalents.
Yes, there is a problem here.Maybe duplication within panes does need to be
provide so some can avoid the English.But one thing for sure is that there is
tremendous user interface reach and power in keystroke equivalents with menus,
and not just on laptops.The words that say it all are "intuitive" and "facile,"
as in Apple's track record for software.Stellarium is missing some (or a lot).
Please read my hopefully now more readable notes.Ed
On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Barry Gerdes wrote:Hi
Key stroke (key bindings) are very useful. particularly on lap tops although
not so important on desktops where a mouse works well.
The biggest problems we have with key bindings is twofold, the number with
duplicate functions and the use of non USA keyboards. Check through the help
file for the current key bindings for those that are already in use before
commiting new ones
Barry GerdesBeaumont Hills ObservatoryS 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
From: edtak...@cox.net
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:46:55 -0400
To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
I should have added that keystroke equivalents give both ease of learning
for the beginner via the menus, and good (perhaps the best possible) facile
and fine-tuned control for the experienced users and astronomers.Ed.PS: Just
updated my notes at takken.us/stellarium. Hopefully they are more readable now.
Hi Tom,
It is the keystroke equivalents that are magic.
The menus after a while are just a help display.
Sub-menus can be used to make things fit on a small display.
Ed
On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
Hi Ed,
I'm not convinced that replacing the nebula sliders with a drop-down
menu would be more intuitive although I'm no expert on GUI design.
Bear in mind that non-numerical information needs translations unless
you use icons, potentially causing layout problems. Also drop-down
menus wouldn't fit on a small screen (e.g. smartphone).
Thanks,
Thomas
On 19 March 2012 21:14, <edtak...@cox.net> wrote:
Hi Thomas and Brian,
I think the way to do this one, as well as make the user interface both more
facile and intuitive, is with drop-down menus.
I put a draft of my idea at takken.us/stellarium, but need to do more to
explain it.
I suggest that the present slide bars are an encumbrance for the user.
Ed Takken
On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
Hi Brian,
Perhaps this could be implemented as a plug-in? ("extended DSO
controls" or something like that). Personally I would like some
extended controls particularly for making full use of the new NGC data
catalogue. (Galaxy display based on surface brightness for example,
which would certainly be useful for objects at low altitude.)
Thanks,
Thomas
On 19 March 2012 17:03, Bogdan Marinov <daggers...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool!
I have a prototype image here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81471534@N00/6848489598/lightbox/
Oh, my, more interface clutter. While users have requested a way to
select which categories of DSOs are displayed, I think that a separate
slider for each is overkill.
Also, a comment on a previous question of yours:
On 18 March 2012 14:15, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
I also think that the sliders should be ticked and a label show their
current value, because I'm not even sure what their value currently
represents. (I assume apparent magnitude)
The sliders are deliberately unitless and don't represent apparent
magnitude. Instead, they control the number of objects shown on the
screen with a somewhat unclear formula which includes apparent
magnitude and dynamic eye adaptation.
Please also have in mind that one of the reasons Stellarium is popular
with educators and people who are total beginners in astronomy is the
simplicity of its interface. New features should be carefully
designed. Just slapping hack over hack as has been the tendency
recently won't lead to anything good. We already kicked out the
planetarium users, let's not alienate more groups.
Bogdan
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