When someone is speaking with a C-suit of the 25Gbps ISP that still
believes "in over-provisioning. QoS/QoE is for those ISPs which have
less
bandwidth than they need" (paraphrasing) - that particular someone
knows
that there is still SO much work in front of us.
*trying to bring this thread back on track :-)
So this thread started with FCC denial to Starlink. Those 640k
locations
will not be served in the coming years (1-5 years, for that particular
amount of $). Their only hope was to get served by Starlink. If FCC
will
decide to give those money to someone else, it's total farce. Starlink,
in
this particular case, was their only hope. Do you really think that you
will see WISPs popping up at those locations? Do you see FISPs doing
it? Or
anyone with DOCSIS? No way.
This decision was pure political BS - a revenge against Musk. And those
people living at these locations in question are the ones that will
loose
the most in the crossfire. It's sad. No matter how much mental
gymnastics
you want to apply here in order to legitimise this post-facto. No
internet?
Starlink would bring at least some internet connectivity to them - I,
those
people or anyone without a pure political bias in this case, should not
give a flying F that "THiS iS nOt A rEaL 1gbps/500mbps bRoADband" or
whatever. They want and need at least some internet connectivity. The
only
way to deliver it to them in a reasonable timeframe is Starlink.
All the best,
Frank
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 7:48 PM Robert McMahon via Nnagain <
nnag...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
And the excuse for not hiring women in the Criminal Division was they
have
to deal with all these tough types, and women aren't up to that. And
I was
amazed. I said, have you seen the lawyers at legal aid who are
representing
these tough types? They're all women.
People ask me sometimes, when — when do you think it will it be
enough?
When will there be enough women on the court? And my answer is when
there
are nine. RBG
Bob
On Dec 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, rjmcmahon via Nnagain <
nnag...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
The president who ran Harvey Mudd College had to fix their computer
science problem of a 90% to 10% male to female ratio. She was asked,
"What's the goal?" She responded, "It should reflect to population
so
50/50." The others said, "Be realistic."
She was and she got it to 50/50 where it should be in every
technology
group.Though we have more improvements to be done.
https://hechingerreport.org/an-unnoticed-result-of-the-decline-of-men-in-college-its-harder-for-women-to-get-in/
There is now way to fix a problem without getting passed the denial
phase. This list population, and the LEO worshiping of Musk
displayed
here by its constituents, are very much white male things. Not
noticing
this & staying silent on this shows a lack of integrity by the
group. My
judgment.
Bob
to be very clear, I am in no way saying that anyone's (let alone
saying women's) views are not desired. I think a diversity of
views if
extremely valuable.
I just get my back up when people say things like 'there need to
more
X in charge' (for any value of X that refers to a characteristic
that
someone is born with)
David Lang
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Dave Taht wrote:
This is principally a male dominated list, and I in general assume
that the public debate over fiber, bandwidth, etc, etc skews
heavily
male also.
It is a very good set of questions to ask about how the internet
should be structured to best meet the needs of both sexes, and
how
that has changed over time, and may change in the future! I
hesitate
to even make one overbroad conclusion! Permanent connectivity and
messaging seems more important to women than men, and a phone
more
important than fiber. Security (tracking and/or protecting kids),
also. It is something I would rather research than draw premature
conclusions from.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+men+and+women+use+the+internet+differently
On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:42 PM David Lang via Starlink
<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services?
I've used it personally.
Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say
that
women have any
particular advantage in moving the bits around that make
telehealth
possible.
David Lang
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:
Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth
services.
They are
using broadband to care for our population. They also run most
of
the
addiction services across our country, whatever the addiction
may
be. So
gender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth
doesn't
work over
LEO (nor does it matter much for men on boats.) Same for
distance
learning.
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/women-more-likely-telehealth-patients-providers-covid-19-pandemic/608153/
As Washington considers which virtual care flexibilities should
remain in
place post-COVID-19, experts are flagging that paring back
telehealth access
and affordability will disproportionately affect women, even as
a
growing
share of startups emerge to address women’s unique health
needs.
While women are more likely than men to visit doctors and
consume
healthcare
services in general, telehealth seems to be uniquely attractive
to
women.
Bob
who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no
Internet
access? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have
to
do
with shipping bits around?
Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a
way to
get
Internet service to everyone without having to run fiber to
every
house.
As for the parallels with rural electrification, if that
problem
were
to be faced today, would the right answer be massive public
agencies
to build and run miles of wire from massive central power
plants?
or
would the right answer be solar + batteries in individual
houses
for
the most rural folks, with small modular reactors to power the
larger
population areas?
Just because there was only one way to achieve a goal in the
past
doesn't mean that approach is the best thing to do today.
David Lang
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:
Hi All,
We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for
electricity
decades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate.
Tele-health
and
distance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to
follow.
A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up.
I'm
skeptical a patriarchy under Musk is even close to capable.
We
probably
need a woman to lead us, or at least motivate us to do our
best
work for
our country and to be an example to the world.
A Hill Country farm wife had to do her chores even if she was
ill
– no
matter how ill. Because Hill Country women were too poor to
afford
proper
medical care they often suffered perineal tears in
childbirth.
During the
1930s, the federal government sent physicians to examine a
sampling of
Hill Country women. The doctors found that, out of 275 women,
158
had
perineal tears. Many of them, the team of gynecologists
reported,
were
third-degree tears, “tears so bad that it is difficult to see
how
they
stand on their feet.” But they were standing on their feet,
and
doing all
the chores that Hill Country wives had always done – hauling
the
water,
hauling the wood, canning, washing, ironing, helping with the
shearing,
the plowing and the picking.
Because there was no electricity.
Bob
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:
Hi Frantisek,
On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
<nnag...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages
of
satcom
such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time,
to
overcome
the 'tangled fiber' problem.
No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of
digital
divide -
I beg to differ. Starlink is a commercial enterprise with
the
goal to
make a profit by offering (usable) internet access
essentially
everywhere; it is not as far as I can tell an attempt at
specifically
reducing the digital divide (were often an important factor
is
not
necessarily location but financial means).
Every Inernet company " commercial enterprise with the goal
to
make a
profit by offering (usable) internet" don't dismiss a
company
because
of that. Starlink (and the other Satellite ISPs) all exist
to
service
people who can't use traditional wired infrastructure
delivering internet to those 640k locations, where there is
literally
none today. Fiber will NEVER get there. And it will get
there,
it will
be like 10 years down the road.
This is IHO the wrong approach to take. The goal needs to
be a
universal FTTH access network (with the exception of
extreme
locations,
no need to pull fiber up to the highest Bivouac shelter on
Mt.
Whitney).
And f that takes a decade or two, so be it, this is
infrastructure that
will keep on helping for many decades once rolled-out.
However
given
that time frame one should consider work-arounds for the
interim
period.
I would have naively thought starlink would qualify for
that
from a
technical perspective, but then the FCC documents actually
discussion
requirements and how they were or were not met/promised by
starlink was
mostly redacted.
what do you consider 'extreme locations'? how long a run
between
houses is 'too far'?
we've seen the failure of commercial fiber monopolies in
cities
with
housing density of several houses per acre (and even where
there
are
apartment complexes there as well) because it's not
profitable
enough.
When you get into areas where it's 'how many acres per
house' the
cost
of running FTTH gets very high. I don't think this is the
majority of
the population of the US any longer (but I don't know for
sure),
but
it's very clearly the majority of the area of the US. And
once
you get
out of the major metro areas, even getting fiber to every
town or
village becomes a major undertaking.
Is running fiber 30 miles to support a village of 700 people
an
'extreme location'? let me introduce you to Vermontville MI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan which
is
less
than an hours drive from the state capitol.
David Lang
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