Would the same apply to platforms in churches if they are doing any sort of 
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Stonington, CT
  
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> K-12 schools are under the jurisdictional authority of the Division of the 
> State Architect (DSA) and my firm does a LOT of educational occupancy 
> projects.      We wrestled with the stage/platform thing too until about 10 
> years ago, when DSA decided that stages and platforms are equivalent if they 
> have a curtain.      High schools tend to have dedicated athletic gyms and 
> performing arts centers with legitimate stages, but at elementary and middle 
> schools usually have an multi-purpose room    with platform on one side.      
> A platform is decidedly NOT a stage as the ceiling of the MPR runs 
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> platform, so they decided to classify these spaces as ordinary hazard.      
> It seemed a little far-fetched to me at first but A) Why would we object to a 
> definitive ruling that makes sprinkler protection more robust and, B) Based 
> on the experiences that I and staff have had doing survey’s at ES and MS 
> campuses, we have found that their conclusion was correct and the fire loads 
> of “platforms” can often be equal to what’s found on and even above stages in 
> practice.      I think the OP was about a gym and this particular branch in 
> the occupancy hazard classification decision tree doesn’t really exist in 
> such a building, but if we’re talking about splitting hairs in any of these 
> occupancies, I don’t think it’s overkill to call it OH and move on.
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> From:   Tony Silva  <[email protected]>
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>   To:  Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers  
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>   Subject:  [Sprinklerforum] Re: Gym Hazard Classification
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> There was a school that had a Gymnasium with a platform at one end. It was 
> basically a platform, a couple of feet high, no curtains, no extra lighting 
> but the Architect named it "stage" on the drawings. A fire started on the 
> roof at the "stage" end of the Gymnasium and the entire school burned down. 
> NFPA compiled a report as it was a major fire. In the NFPA report they 
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> > Is it just a “gym” or a multi-purpose building that will also be available 
> > for “community” uses?        Gym mats are one thing, rummage sales, craft 
> > fairs, job and college recruiting expos, church and other assemblies, those 
> > are different things.      I agree that an athletic/sports facility such as 
> > a high-school or college gym is light hazard in the main room, but the 
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> > building should provide you with an articulate owner’s certificate before 
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