Would the same apply to platforms in churches if they are doing any sort of production? Todd Williams
Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-608-4559 > > On Jul 22, 2024 at 1:11 PM, <Steve Leyton > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > Here in California… > > > > > > > > K-12 schools are under the jurisdictional authority of the Division of the > State Architect (DSA) and my firm does a LOT of educational occupancy > projects. We wrestled with the stage/platform thing too until about 10 > years ago, when DSA decided that stages and platforms are equivalent if they > have a curtain. High schools tend to have dedicated athletic gyms and > performing arts centers with legitimate stages, but at elementary and middle > schools usually have an multi-purpose room with platform on one side. > A platform is decidedly NOT a stage as the ceiling of the MPR runs > continuously throughout the room and there’s no fly space above. > > > > > > > > What the agency found over the course of a year of field investigation is > that if there’s a curtain, schools have a tendency to store stuff on the > platform, so they decided to classify these spaces as ordinary hazard. > It seemed a little far-fetched to me at first but A) Why would we object to a > definitive ruling that makes sprinkler protection more robust and, B) Based > on the experiences that I and staff have had doing survey’s at ES and MS > campuses, we have found that their conclusion was correct and the fire loads > of “platforms” can often be equal to what’s found on and even above stages in > practice. I think the OP was about a gym and this particular branch in > the occupancy hazard classification decision tree doesn’t really exist in > such a building, but if we’re talking about splitting hairs in any of these > occupancies, I don’t think it’s overkill to call it OH and move on. > > > > > > > > Steve L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tony Silva <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 10:39 PM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Gym Hazard Classification > > > > > > > > > > > There was a school that had a Gymnasium with a platform at one end. It was > basically a platform, a couple of feet high, no curtains, no extra lighting > but the Architect named it "stage" on the drawings. A fire started on the > roof at the "stage" end of the Gymnasium and the entire school burned down. > NFPA compiled a report as it was a major fire. In the NFPA report they > claimed that the sprinkler system failed as the "stage" end of the Gymnasium > should have been designed to Ordinary Hazard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 5:51 PM Steve Leyton <[email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a “gym” or a multi-purpose building that will also be available > > for “community” uses? Gym mats are one thing, rummage sales, craft > > fairs, job and college recruiting expos, church and other assemblies, those > > are different things. I agree that an athletic/sports facility such as > > a high-school or college gym is light hazard in the main room, but the > > school or college district or municipality that will own and operate this > > building should provide you with an articulate owner’s certificate before > > it gets nailed down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adam Levine, P.E. [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 12:58 PM > > To: [email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Gym Hazard Classification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve always designed gyms as light hazard, although I’ve heard over the > > years that some designers increase the hazard because of the plastic mats > > (even if they are not stored over 5’). 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