I always mandated them on storage buildings and would not do the job without them.
We can take massive liability above our pay grade, or we can choose not to do the job when the information is refused. I turned down several projects over the years when the OC would not be provided. Travis Mack, SET M.E.P.CAD | 181 N. Arroyo Grande Blvd. #105 I Henderson, NV 89074 www.mepcad.com<http://www.mepcad.com/> | m: 480.547.9348 AutoSPRINK | AutoSPRINK FAB | AutoSPRINK RVT | AlarmCAD Book appointment time in my calendar https://calendly.com/t_mack_mepcad ________________________________ From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 9:51:27 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Gym Hazard Classification This goes back a ways and the wording may have changed over the editions but here it clearly differentiates between owner and contractor and who does what and when. “4.3* Owners Certificate. The owner(s) of a building or structure where the fire sprinkler system is going to be installed or their authorized agent shall provide sprinkler system installer with the following information prior to the layout and detailing of the sprinkler system.” On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 4:20 AM Fpdcdesign <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: In this part of the planet, contractors and engineers are told it is our responsibility to fill it out because it is in 13. I have gotten less than 5 OCs in my career. Todd Williams Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-608-4559 On Jul 20, 2024 at 12:13 AM, <Steve Leyton<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dude: I have actually threatened to terminate our contract with cause in a couple of situations. Had to tell the clients that we are bound to follow the provisions of the adopted codes and standards in our state, and the NFPA 13 standard mandates that they provide us with the information that we need to put forth a responsive design. My experience with public agencies is that they are very willing to partner once we explain what we need and why we need it. Steve Leyton (Sent from my smartphone; please excuse typos and voice-to-text corruptions.) -------- Original message -------- From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 7/19/24 6:49 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Gym Hazard Classification “Articulate owner’s certificate”? LMFAO Todd Williams Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-608-4559 On Jul 19, 2024 at 7:52 PM, <Steve Leyton<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Is it just a “gym” or a multi-purpose building that will also be available for “community” uses? Gym mats are one thing, rummage sales, craft fairs, job and college recruiting expos, church and other assemblies, those are different things. Iagree that an athletic/sports facility such as a high-school or college gym is light hazard in the main room, but the school or college district or municipality that will own and operate this building should provide you with an articulate owner’s certificate before it gets nailed down. Steve L. From: Adam Levine, P.E. [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 12:58 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Gym Hazard Classification I’ve always designed gyms as light hazard, although I’ve heard over the years that some designers increase the hazard because of the plastic mats (even if they are not stored over 5’). Assuming this is a standard gym (no foam rock walls or anything complicated), how would most of you classify a gym? Thanks! 🙌 ADAM LEVINE, P.E. PRESIDENT phone: 718.533.6800 ext 137<tel:718.533.6800%20ext%20137> email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | | direct: 917.818.4211 fax: 917.810.2677 [cid:ii_190d632d28a4cff311]<https://capitolfire.com/> [Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/CapitolFireSprinkler> [Twitter]<https://twitter.com/CapitolFire> [cid:ii_190d632d28b7745b44]<https://www.youtube.com/user/CapitolFireSprinkler/feed> _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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