Respectfully, this sounds like overkill. The project is described as entailing “plastics, paper/cardboard and metal.” Reading Li and propane into it changes everything and depending on the state, you can’t process gas cylinders or Li or even computer-related wastes in general sorting/recycling disposal centers.
As noted, you’re going to have exposed plastics, bundled, likely non-expanded. Exactly what form will the most hazardous materials take, in what array will they be stored and how high is the roof? I think an Owner’s Certificate (or statement or declaration or whatever) is absolutely essential here… Steve L. From: Scott Futrell <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire protection engineer. There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more. Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and high ceiling heights affect the design. There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can research and find on the internet. Scott From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips. If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080<tel:860-535-2080> (ofc) 860-554-7054<tel:860-554-7054> (fax) 860-608-4559<tel:860-608-4559> (cell) On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, <Tstone52<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and metal. Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails are wrapped with metal bands or wire. I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery. Regards, G. Tim Stone G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC NICET Level III Engineering Technician Fire Protection Sprinkler Design and Consulting Services 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 CELL: (802) 373-0638 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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