Re: Attachment removal on this list? (was: Re: SQL Database Persistence)

2010-12-08 Thread Upayavira
subscribe to wave-dev-digest, and I think you'll get what you want (i.e. mail wave-dev-digest-subscr...@incubator.apache.org). Upayavira On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:39 +, "Gray Simpson" wrote: > I've just unsubscribed again - The old Google Group mailing list allowed >

Re: A Comment on Cosmetics

2010-12-08 Thread Upayavira
You could look at some of the other sites that interface to our lists. Nabble, or markmail.org, for example. Upayavira On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:13 -0700, "Mike Mabey" wrote: > I don't know how many other people subscribe to the list as a digest, but > I > must say that

Re: A Comment on Cosmetics

2010-12-08 Thread Upayavira
you cannot delete someone's post, but I believe you can in a wave - how do we make sure no-one goes and deletes bits of history they find undesirable?) It is a discussion I am expecting to happen during the life and incubation of this project! Upayavira On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:21 +0100, "T

Re: Committer accounts

2010-12-11 Thread Upayavira
I agree, we should get some done soon. Are there any more we can get done quickly? If Andrus isn't able to send in an account request over the next few days, I'll happily do it. Andrus? Upayavira On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:55 -0800, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > What is the t

Board report needed today!

2011-01-12 Thread Upayavira
, Upayavira (who will now go try work out why reminders weren't sent)

Re: Board report needed today!

2011-01-12 Thread Upayavira
Looks good - can you add it to the wiki page? Thanks for a speedy response. Upayavira On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:40 +1100, "Alex North" wrote: > Eek. Ok, let me try: > > Wave > > Wave a real-time communication and collaboration tool > > Wave entered incubation o

Re: SVN Set Up

2011-02-02 Thread Upayavira
x27;ll get the space created soon. If you decide to ditch history, you can then do the rest yourself. If you find a way to preserve history, I can arrange an import. Upayavira On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:18 -0800, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > It seems like all of the tools are focused

Re: SVN Set Up

2011-02-02 Thread Upayavira
frastructure mailing list whether anyone knows of HG->SVN conversion techniques. Upayavira On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:07 +, "Upayavira" wrote: > I am happy to help with getting SVN set up. > > These are the stages that it requires, as far as I see: > > * svn mkdir

Re: SVN Set Up

2011-02-02 Thread Upayavira
It has been suggested that you can do HG to SVN via: hg -> git-fast-import -> svn Does that help you? Upayavira On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:00 +0000, "Upayavira" wrote: > I've done the authz grants. I could find accounts for everyone except > Joseph Gentle and Lenn

Re: SVN Set Up

2011-02-02 Thread Upayavira
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:08 +, "Upayavira" wrote: > It has been suggested that you can do HG to SVN via: > > hg -> git-fast-import -> svn The other place suggested to ask is on users@subversion.a.o. Upayavira > On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:00 +, "Upayavira

Re: SVN Set Up

2011-02-02 Thread Upayavira
hat (account request phase) please tell me your preferred forwarding email address and your preferred user account ID. Upayavira > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:00, Upayavira wrote: > > > I've done the authz grants. I could find accounts for everyone except > > Joseph

Re: Wave-protocol Google group is now disabled

2011-02-07 Thread Upayavira
Are you referring to the welcome message for this list? I have the ability to edit that. If there's a simple message we want adding, let me know. We'll just need to check any changes survive list maintenance, e.g. eventual graduation. Upayavira On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 04:36 +1100, &qu

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for February 2011 (wave-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-02-10 Thread Upayavira
Actually, we still have two committers without accounts. I'll update the report and then sign it. Upayavira On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:21 -0500, "Andrus Adamchik" wrote: > Looks great. One comment - since this is Wave's first report, we should > probably include all the i

Re: Web Site Progress

2011-02-18 Thread Upayavira
'tis done now :-) Upayavira On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:39 -0700, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > All, > > I am actually being useful this week. I have created the basic site > layout in SVN. It is located here: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/

Re: GSoC projects?

2011-03-15 Thread Upayavira
Apache is involved. See here [1]. I do believe incubator projects are allowed to participate, but I'd like to see us having moved our source into SVN before that! Upayavira [1] http://community.apache.org/gsoc.html On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:47 +0100, "Lennard de Rijk" wrote: &g

Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo

2011-03-18 Thread Upayavira
d restrict its use more widely to describe other things than Apache Wave (i.e. allowed by copyright law, prevented by trademark law). Upayavira On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:11 +, "Paul Thomas" wrote: > Apache's Licence > > http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 > &

Re: Licence on Wave Protocol Logo

2011-03-21 Thread Upayavira
g them somewhere and posting a URL here. Upayavira On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:53 +0100, "Jérémy Naegel" wrote: Hi, Since the Wave Federation Protocol is open-source from the beginning, I'm amazed that the Wave Protocol logo doesn't have an open-source friendly licence! How did

Re: GSoC projects?

2011-03-28 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:26 -0600, "Juan Antonio Osorio" wrote: > uhmso... does Wave apply thanks to Apache if someone wants to get > involved from GSoC? Yes, Wave can take on GSoC projects. Do you have an idea? Upayavira

Re: GSoC projects?

2011-03-28 Thread Upayavira
high to me (although there's no real reason why I should know what I am talking about...) So if committers have projects, they should be ready to start writing them down soon. Regards, Upayavira On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:45 +0200, "Yuri Zelikov" wrote: > I am not sure, but as far as

Re: Web Site Update

2011-04-08 Thread Upayavira
lugin. Upayavira On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:55 +0200, "Jérémy Naegel" wrote: > One little thing about the http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ website: it > links the Dev Wiki to https://cwiki.apache.org/WAVE/ while I think it > should > instead link to https://cwiki.apache.org/co

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for April 2011 (wave-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-04-18 Thread Upayavira
A bit late now, but I think we don't need to report this month, as our initial three months reporting is over already. I removed us from the monthly reporting schedule last week, we now need to report every quarter, and the reminders should trigger appropriately. Upayavira On Sat, 16 Apr

Re: Wave's Jira is Live

2011-05-01 Thread Upayavira
Fantastic. This is a significant step forwards in the project's incubation. SVN next :-) Upayavira On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:36 -0700, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > All, > > Wave's Jira instance is now live. The issues have been imported. At > this point we sho

Re: JIRA developer access

2011-05-03 Thread Upayavira
If folks let me know their Jira ID, I should be able to do the necessary. Upayavira On Tue, 03 May 2011 16:20 +0300, "Yuri Z" wrote: > We have lately moved to JIRA to track WIAB issues and this is great. > However, to fully complete the move we need to have all the active > c

Re: Wave / Apache Infrastructure

2011-05-03 Thread Upayavira
ons are needs to happen. We > should look to see what other projects are doing and get some feedback > from them. The future of Confluence as a back end to web sites is short, its future as a Wiki is safe. Note, there's also MoinMoin wikis too. Upayavira

Re: Wave issues not being watched

2011-05-11 Thread Upayavira
has still to migrate to Apache hardware. Upayavira On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:00 +1000, "Daniel Danilatos" wrote: > Are committers automatically on this wave-commits list? > > Στις 11 Μαΐου 2011 6:34 π.μ., ο χρήστης Yuri Z έγραψε: > > Hi > > Comments on the Wave J

Re: SVN Migration

2011-05-23 Thread Upayavira
I would not recommend that. There is no timescale applied to this - it could be six months, it could be two years, depending upon volunteer efforts. Wave should aim to go straight to SVN. If Git is available later, then maybe a switch can be arranged. Upayavira On Mon, 23 May 2011 20:43 +0300

Re: Update Wiki for Apache Wave

2011-08-10 Thread Upayavira
I'd say just do it. If anyone wants to help, they will have an 'edit' button too. Upayavira On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:25 +0300, "Yuri Z" wrote: > I stumbled upon the Wiki page for Apache > Wave<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave>- and my impression wa

Re: Wave Web Site

2011-09-02 Thread Upayavira
if so, in what ways does it lack? Upayavira On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:20 -0700, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > All, > > There has been several threads on the usefulness of the current wave web > site, the lack of consolidated information, and the feasibility of > maintaining

Re: Wave Web Site

2011-09-02 Thread Upayavira
website tools seemed to dry up as soon as the CMS turned up. I can only assume that is because it did *something* right. I'd encourage you to ask on infrastructure@ about any features you need/can't find. See if it can get you closer to what you need. Upayavira

Re: Code -> SVN

2011-09-06 Thread Upayavira
, you have an SVN repo ready to be imported. With a local svn repo, you can 'fake' users, it doesn't worry about authentication. Am I being naive here? Upayavira On Sunday, September 04, 2011 7:28 PM, "Yuri Z" wrote: > I think that it is technically possible to make cl

Re: Code -> SVN

2011-09-09 Thread Upayavira
duce software, therefore it must be in control of its main asset, the asset it exists to create! There's scope to host code on git on Apache infrastructure, but that requires volunteers to assist with a deployment. Upayavira

Re: Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (wave-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-09-10 Thread Upayavira
As far as the board report is concerned, the 'most important issues' should be relating to graduation, so code related stuff isn't so important (but still interesting). Upayavira On Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:16 PM, "Yuri Z" wrote: > Hi > > I added t

Re: Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (wave-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-09-12 Thread Upayavira
know isn't the case. Personally, I'd just add what you've mentioned already, "Continue to grow the community" below the SVN line, and you'd be there. The other technical stuff can stay, I just wanted to mitigate that potential misinterpretation of what you've wri

Re: Code -> SVN

2011-09-12 Thread Upayavira
On Monday, September 12, 2011 1:12 PM, "Jasper Horn" wrote: > Upayavira wrote: > > Right, the source code is the project's most valuable possession. The > > ASF as a charitable organisation exists to produce software, therefore > > it must be in control of it

Re: Code Migration to SVN

2011-10-11 Thread Upayavira
Fab, thanks Michael, great to see it done. Upayavira On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:18 AM, "Michael MacFadden" wrote: > All, > > After many months our migration from Google Code to the Apache SVN has > finally been completed. The code can now be checked out at t

Re: interest in moving to git?

2011-12-02 Thread Upayavira
The request at this point is for TLP (top level projects) not podlings, so I'm afraid Wave will have to wait a little while before the git option comes available. Sorrree :-( Upayavira On Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:43 AM, "Paul Lindner" wrote: > Apache Infrastructure is so

Re: interest in moving to git?

2011-12-05 Thread Upayavira
There's no harm asking, nor registering an interest, so sure, apply. Just don't expect it necessarily to happen quickly. We shall see how the trial proceeds. Upayavira On Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:58 PM, "Christian Grobmeier" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:

Re: interest in moving to git?

2011-12-05 Thread Upayavira
In fact, now is the time to show an interest. The question of podlings using git has been raised on general@incubator, and it would be a good thing to make the Wave case at this point. Upayavira On Monday, December 05, 2011 2:39 PM, "Upayavira" wrote: > There's no harm askin

Re: Current project status at http://incubator.apache.org/wave/

2012-01-12 Thread Upayavira
to the needs of the project, and that you recognise that most people aren't here to talk about financial issues. Welcome, I look forward to seeing your contributions to the project! Regards, Upayavira On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 01:13 AM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: > Hello Christian, &

Re: FundWIAB.com main page patch

2012-01-17 Thread Upayavira
described there. Then, send a link to your site to trademarks at apache.org, and get them to review it. Then, make sure that the contributions that you make get into the Apache SVN tree. If they don't get there, then they're not really contributions. Otherwise, a well done site! Regards,

Re: Can't submit patch for review to the wave/site/trunk/content/wave/index.mdtext

2012-01-20 Thread Upayavira
ative, stating that you want a link on the site, and is this acceptable? Upayavira On Thu, Jan 19, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > I see. How about submitting the Wave Import code as patch to the Apache > Wave via the Review Board? > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko

Re: Wave report is missing

2012-03-11 Thread Upayavira
ions should now get through. Having said that, none of our moderators picked this up - should we add some more moderators for this list? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 05:57 PM, Davide Carnovale wrote: > Thanks Yuri! > i guess no one did send the email to wave-dev mailing list, at le

Re: Wave report is missing

2012-03-12 Thread Upayavira
ineffective one). We need more. If anyone is prepared to volunteer (likely requires vetting maybe 10 emails a day) - then let me know and I'll add you to the roster. Upayavira On Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 09:18 AM, Lennard de Rijk wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 07:03, Upayavira wrote: &g

Re: Wave report is missing

2012-03-14 Thread Upayavira
I've added the three of you. See what to do here: http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate Upayavira On Mon, Mar 12, 2012, at 08:32 PM, Lennard de Rijk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 07:14, Upayavira wrote: > > > To explain moderation - > > > &g

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2012 ([ppmc])

2012-06-08 Thread Upayavira
Can we please have a volunteer to write our report? Needs to be done by the end of the weekend. Many thanks! Upayavira On Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 01:11 AM, Marvin wrote: > > > Dear podling, > > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache > Incubat

Re: Wave report - a shepherds view

2012-06-11 Thread Upayavira
We have discussed these two topics (committers and releases) around the time of this report, but did not update the report to note this. I hope the conversation will continue, and that wave will have more to report for its next report. Upayavira On Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 01:32 PM, Ross Gardler

Re: Typos on the webpage.

2012-08-23 Thread Upayavira
and subversion is now http://subversion.apache.org. Upayavira On Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > Fixed. Thanks > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Brandon M. Sergent < > brandon.serg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://incubator.apache.org/**

Board report

2012-09-08 Thread Upayavira
Wave folks, We're overdue with our three-monthly incubator/board report, it was due last Wednesday (6 Sept). Do we have a volunteer to write one, and soon? Remember, it should be focused on what Wave needs to do to graduate, rather than on technical matters. Thanks, Upayavira

Re: Board report

2012-09-09 Thread Upayavira
dered mature enough for a useful release, however, the community is discussing what is required to make one, both to better understand the licensing status of our codebase, and as a means to draw in additional developers and thus speed up development." Upayavira On Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 10:02

Re: Board report

2012-09-10 Thread Upayavira
it isn't complete, as it may help draw in additional developers to help fill in the missing features. Thoughts? Upayavira On Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 08:21 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > I updated the Wiki for Sep 2012 report. Please feel free to add/edit. > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Max

Re: Board report

2012-09-11 Thread Upayavira
So, are we discussing? We *need* to start discussing this, as we cannot stay still in the incubator forever. Any thoughts? Note, you don't need to be a committer to be a release manager. Maybe this is your chance to get more involved. Upayavira On Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 01:28 PM, Upay

Re: CLA's

2012-09-13 Thread Upayavira
I think that one is pretty safe - you won't be given an account without a CLA these days. Upayavira On Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 01:12 AM, Angus Turner wrote: > Hi Wavers, > In anticipation of the upcoming alpha release i'm just checking that > all the people who have committe

Re: Tests in Source Release

2012-09-14 Thread Upayavira
Look at a few other projects, e.g. Lucene, and see what they do regarding tests. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 09:13 AM, Ali Lown wrote: > Angus, > > In a source release where the receiver is expected to build the code > themselves, the tests would be expected to ensure that

Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Upayavira
technically valid or useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might actually have the counter-intuitive effect of drawing in fresh developers who want to fix those holes. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 02:01 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: > Is there anything that could

Re: Review Request: Adding final license headers

2012-09-21 Thread Upayavira
ign a software grant for Wave? I don't recall the terms on which the code was given to Apache, and we're gonna have to clarify that before we can decide whether we can remove the Google copyright headers. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 05:11 PM, Yuri Zelikov wrote: > > > >

Re: Review Request: Adding final license headers

2012-09-24 Thread Upayavira
Oops, just sent one there... :-) Let's see if we get something back. Upayavira On Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 09:28 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > Hey Guys, > I've gotten the original documents back from Dan, it seems to was just > the > standard CCLA. I plan to write an email to leg

Re: Review Request: Adding final license headers

2012-09-25 Thread Upayavira
utors). I'm not sure that that grants us the right to remove the headers, let's see if we get an answer to that. Upayavira On Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > So you've sent one to legal-discuss? (just confirming) > > > > On 25/09/2012, at 7:3

Re: Review Request: Adding final license headers

2012-09-25 Thread Upayavira
Or we ask Dan Peterson whether either he can remove them, or Google can give us permission to remove them ourselves. Could you do that Angus? Thx, Upayavira On Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > > > > On Sept. 21, 2012, 3:54 p.m., Yuri Zelikov wrote: > &g

Re: Fwd: Wave Licenses

2012-09-29 Thread Upayavira
This is great, so go for it now, thanks! One thing, it is probably worth forwarding this to secretary@a.o and asking whether he wishes to record this at all. Upayavira On Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > Hi All, > Just forwarding this to the list so we have a recor

Releasing...

2012-10-21 Thread Upayavira
Where did we get to on preparing a tet release? Have we got licensing headers in order? Does anything else stand in our way? Thx, Upayavira

Re: Release

2012-11-24 Thread Upayavira
sign on to #asfinfra on freenode, and ask there, if you can. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 09:10 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > Seems it is indeed something on the reviewboard side. Anyone know where > we > should go with this? > Thanks > Angus Turner > angusisf...@gmail.com &

Re: Wave Report

2012-12-02 Thread Upayavira
Hi Michael, Thanks for this. Please try to include struggles and issues relating to graduation, particularly issues around making a release. Thx! Upayavira On Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 06:24 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > I have the report on my todo list for this weekend. > > ~Michael

Re: "Obfuscating' 3rd party jars

2012-12-04 Thread Upayavira
We could produce a release like this, then maybe folks'll come along and tell you how crap it is. Great, tell them to improve it! Reasonable? Upayavira On Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 07:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Michael MacFadden > wrote: > > Y

Re: "Obfuscating' 3rd party jars

2012-12-04 Thread Upayavira
Well, sorry for not thinking it through and having said that earlier! Upayavira On Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 07:45 PM, Angus Turner wrote: > +1 > Sorry for all the confusion guys! > Thanks > Angus Turner > angusisf...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:

Re: Next Steps re: Release

2012-12-16 Thread Upayavira
't release, likely they won't. Is that achievable? Upayavira On Sat, Dec 15, 2012, at 12:27 AM, Angus Turner wrote: > Hi All, > I have just received an email from the maintainers of libIDN and they > have > just released a new version of their library that is now licensed

Re: Next Steps re: Release

2012-12-16 Thread Upayavira
Great! Thx, Upayavira On Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 07:19 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Yes. That should be our first step. I will add a patch to add the txt > file and remove the jars. > > ~Michael > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > > Em

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Mar 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-03-14 Thread Upayavira
its level of activity These are topics that should be discussed amongst the community here, and mentioned in the board report also. Upayavira

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Mar 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-03-15 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado wrote: > El 14/03/13 14:17, Upayavira escribió: > > From my perspective, Wave has not added any new committers for quite > > some time, has yet to make a release, and the level of activity of the > > current committers

Re: Hello

2013-05-25 Thread Upayavira
e remit here. I believe they have a google group for discussing the protocol itself, but not sure how active that list is. The Apache Wave project is focused around producing an implementation of the protocol. HTH! Upayavira On Sat, May 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, John Blossom wrote: > Christian, &

Re: Review Request: More release-orientated build/metadata changes

2013-05-28 Thread Upayavira
I'd argue that that's what version control and commit mails are for. Just commit it. If someone objects, we can revert. Upayavira On Tue, May 28, 2013, at 07:58 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically g

Re: Moving Wave Forward

2013-05-28 Thread Upayavira
any other committer on the project - if they weren't a committer, they would have to become one by the same means as anyone else. So really, it is great to see the sense of vision you bring, but I'm particularly keen to see new volunteers turn up to help bring your ideas into reality. Upayav

Re: Moving Wave Forward

2013-05-29 Thread Upayavira
7;s no reason why user focused code (e.g. clients) can't be developed here, it is simply a question of who is interested in developing such things. If OpenOffice can succeed at developing user focused code at Apache, then the Wave project should be able to also. Upayavira

Re: Moving Wave Forward

2013-05-29 Thread Upayavira
On Wed, May 29, 2013, at 07:04 PM, John Blossom wrote: > Upayavira, > > You raise a very interesting point with OpenOffice. I note that there is > an > openoffice.org Web site to help promote this product. Wave would benefit > from a similar branded domain. Wave.org is owned

Re: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
Getting a release out is the #1 task here, helping newcomers have something to engage with. Upayavira On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 08:09 AM, Bruno Gonzalez wrote: > I agree, IMO efforts should be directed at getting more man power. Sadly, > ideas are mostly useless if there's no hand

Re: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
> > > free, convince the public to donate copious amounts of money to the > > project > > > (this was attempted by the now-offline fundwiab > > > <http://www.fundwiab.com/> initiative, > > > but it only managed to collect maybe 20 hours worth of developer time;

Re: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
to bring this project the fresh blood it most definitely needs. Upayavira On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 04:26 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > In my humble opinion we need: > > 1) A vision and marketing to attract people. It's hard to attract > coders > if they don't know wha

Re: Maven [Was: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code]

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
nd Maven was to create a greater sense of order, which would make it easier for new developers to enter the room. Upayavira

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
an do to make it happen is to produce an exceptionally cool and compelling tool that other projects might also want to use. Then a discussion can start to happen. Upayavira On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 07:38 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: > One thing always bothered me (for years), and since I lost my virgin

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
I agree that it makes sense - I'm just asking for patience. Apache places certain constraints on how people develop software so as to be able to make clearer guarantees to its users. It will take some time to be sure that those guarantees can still be offered without compromise. Upayavira O

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
play', it wouldn't be too hard to arrange a VM for the purpose. Upayavira

Re: Maven [Was: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code]

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 08:32 PM, Dave wrote: > On 30/05/13 20:09, Upayavira wrote: > > As a non-developer, I my understanding is that a part of the intention > > behind Maven was to create a greater sense of order, which would make > > it easier for new develop

Re: Release planning

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
I agree that 1.0 would give the wrong message. Some <1.0 version is right. Upayavira On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 08:49 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > >> Blockers: > >> What version number should this be? The code is making reference to > >> waveinabox 0.3. (Was 0.1, 0.2 ever re

Re: NodeJS for Sever-Side Wave Code

2013-05-30 Thread Upayavira
And git is an option now. Upayavira On Thu, May 30, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Bruno Gonzalez wrote: > (uh, I had not read the other new thread, sorry for my redundant email) > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Bruno Gonzalez > wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-31 Thread Upayavira
If there were enough impetus, I'd be able to get a test mailing list set up, it isn't hard. It would be good to not pollute this list with lots of test emails early on. Upayavira On Fri, May 31, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: > Thanks Christian, Bruno and Yuri for

Re: Release planning

2013-05-31 Thread Upayavira
Anything under 1.0. Could be 0.4.0 if that makes semver fans happier :-) Upayavira On Fri, May 31, 2013, at 03:10 PM, John Blossom - Shore Communications Inc. wrote: > You can argue it either way, it really comes down to how you want to > position the new architecture. If Yuri's comfo

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-31 Thread Upayavira
http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-volunteer.html I'm currently trying to get an answer as to whether the resources are available at present. What Christian describes above is good stuff, with one addition, that these hosts are not intended for running critical services. They should not be used for anything the project *depends* upon. Upayavira

Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave

2013-05-31 Thread Upayavira
we need. I > usually > hang out on some IRC servers, i'll search their server/room and lurk for > a > while, while we discuss the details here :-) > > @upayavira: nice, thanks for the effort. the server would definitely not > be > running critical service AFAIK, it would b

Re: Release planning

2013-05-31 Thread Upayavira
e are now even closer... ;) Yay. Get a tarball up on your people.apache.org/~al site, pronto :-) Upayavira

Re: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC2

2013-06-01 Thread Upayavira
Just to note, this is one area I can't really help in. I have negligible experience of release management, so it is good we have Christian on hand. Upayavira On Sat, Jun 1, 2013, at 08:07 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Cool Ali. > Please let me know about questions. I am willing to

Re: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC2

2013-06-04 Thread Upayavira
- please give us the benefit and let the process continue, and both this release will go out, and Wave will be set up to be able to make future releases much more easily, as all those 't's will still be crossed. Upayavira On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 08:09 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: > I onl

Re: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC2

2013-06-04 Thread Upayavira
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 08:34 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: > Upayavira: Thanks for your explanation. > > A doubt: if everybody else voted "-1" and you got three "+1" from PMC, > the > release would be approved? I would expect the -1 votes to be properly ev

Re: Wave Logo

2013-06-05 Thread Upayavira
While a logo might be open source, trademark law will restrict what you can do with it. It is important to recognise that logos are kind of a special case in open source. Upayavira On Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 02:23 PM, John Blossom wrote: > Copyright is claimed for the logo by Google but the w

Re: Community mailing list?

2013-06-05 Thread Upayavira
yet clear what the shared project is that would be discussed on the general@ list - what the shared goal would be. I'd say let's continue the conversations for a while longer, and when the time comes, I can create the list (I have the necessary karma). Upayavira On Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 08

Re: Invitation to On-Air Hangout

2013-06-05 Thread Upayavira
I was able to connect, but my 3g connection at the time wasn't sufficient it seems. Upayavira On Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 06:40 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: > Thanks to all who joined/participated the Wave:Forward Ep. 1 > > IMO, it was far better than I expected it to happen for a 1st

Re: Community mailing list?

2013-06-05 Thread Upayavira
fixes? Thx, Upayavira On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Ed - 0x1b, Inc. wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM, John Blossom wrote: > > How about platform@ ? > > On Jun 5, 2013 4:59 PM, "Upayavira" wrote: > > > >> Except, this isn't for users of WIAB

Re: Community mailing list?

2013-06-06 Thread Upayavira
Get coding! That's the sort of thing that could bridge the email-wave gap and make Wave much more compelling. You can use it as a mail client before you reach the point where you have enough contacts on native Wave to communicate with directly. Upayavira

Re: Community mailing list?

2013-06-06 Thread Upayavira
coding part of this project - that's the most important thing in the end. Talk is easy, actually doing takes more effort. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 02:51 PM, Paulo Pires wrote: > Please, separate things! Political & management stuff one way, > development/user support another.

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-06-07 Thread Upayavira
Note, the report should be about community issues not code, so nearly complete release and increased engagement are the two main issues I'd mention. The email<->wave stuff could be useful to raise, although I'd be okay leaving it a while also. Anyone volunteering? Upayavira On

Re: Urgent, Wavers! Reporting time TODAY

2013-06-08 Thread Upayavira
I've 'signed' it as mentor. Thanks all! Upayavira On Sat, Jun 8, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Very good report folks, thanks for filling it so quickly. > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > > Yuri, > > > > T

Re: [VOTE RESULT] (was: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC3)

2013-06-08 Thread Upayavira
Yes, let's get a few more reviews here before we forward it. As I said, I'm gonna abstain from voting because it is not an area of expertise I have. I may do a review and vote later. Upayavira On Sat, Jun 8, 2013, at 09:29 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hey mate, you have missed

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